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puddle jumper

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Any one see the news on the guy who stabbed another guy. I would recommend googling (Greyhound Beheading to get the rest of the story). Its freaky to think these people walk among us. I would go more into the story but its very shocking and probably not for every one to read. I will warn you its like something out of a Stephen King novel its just that bazaar.
 

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Yea, read about it a couple days ago.
Weird and yes, they walk among us.
 

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i was considering riding greyhound to the Keys, in a couple of weeks, to meet the family. NOT. i will spend the extra $500 and fly. although his brother could be on the plane.
 

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I wonder how many other people were on that bus at the time that did nothing to stop it. They should all have their names and photo's published, with captions that read something like, "here's what a yellow-bellied coward looks like."

On a different note, THIS is why I support open carry of firearms.
 

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I wonder how many other people were on that bus at the time that did nothing to stop it. They should all have their names and photo's published, with captions that read something like, "here's what a yellow-bellied coward looks like."

On a different note, THIS is why I support open carry of firearms.
37 onboard at the time.
Driver stopped and they all raced off.
And to think he made it the police station with a bruised face.:rolleyes:
 

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I wonder how many other people were on that bus at the time that did nothing to stop it. They should all have their names and photo's published, with captions that read something like, "here's what a yellow-bellied coward looks like."
You weren't there. You have no idea how this situation looked to the passengers. I saw the same kind of Monday-morning quarterbacking after the 9-11 attacks, and it makes my blood boil. Talk about an act of cowardice. Are you going to give those "yellow-bellied cowards" a chance to defend themselves?

Tell you what--next time you're on a bus with a guy holding a severed head, you go try to "save the victim." As for me, I'm getting out of there as quickly as I possibly can, and helping others to get away too. Clear the bus, trap the assailant inside, keep him from harming anyone else. That's pretty much what they did, and there's no telling what might have happened if the situation had unfolded in a different way.


On a different note, THIS is why I support open carry of firearms.

Firearms? Yeah, that's just what we need on a crowded bus full of panicked people.

Hey, wouldn't it have been great if McLean had been carrying a pistol when he fell asleep? That way, Li could have killed a lot more people!!

Monday Morning QB-ing cuts both ways.
 

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I agree! Guns just would have made things worse. Also the absence of guns is why this type of thing does not happen more often. You give them all guns and you will here of this kind of thing happening daily. Guns. LOL that is stupid. Thats what i would want if i was on a bus full of people. Yea right. Why would someone want people to have guns? Thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
 

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I agree! Guns just would have made things worse. Also the absence of guns is why this type of thing does not happen more often. You give them all guns and you will here of this kind of thing happening daily. Guns. LOL that is stupid. Thats what i would want if i was on a bus full of people. Yea right. Why would someone want people to have guns? Thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard.


got news for ya, they all have the guns it's us legal do gooders who don't have them on board the bus.
 

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I wonder how many other people were on that bus at the time that did nothing to stop it. They should all have their names and photo's published, with captions that read something like, "here's what a yellow-bellied coward looks like."

On a different note, THIS is why I support open carry of firearms.


Interesting, SGTMaj could you please post what you would have done in a bus crowed with panicked people and a maniac with a knife stabbing and cutting off heads? Just would like to know for future reference, as I would hate to have my pictured published with a caption.
 

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i was considering riding greyhound to the Keys, in a couple of weeks, to meet the family. NOT. i will spend the extra $500 and fly. although his brother could be on the plane.

I know what you mean. Public transportation seemed to be a safe place to travel.
It brings up the idea that when your sitting on a bus/train/plane with a lot of time and you look around at the people. At least I do and try to figure out what there like , there past and where there going. I would have never guessed that coming.
 

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i was considering riding greyhound to the Keys, in a couple of weeks, to meet the family. NOT. i will spend the extra $500 and fly. although his brother could be on the plane.

You would probably make the trip faster by sailboat!

Greyhound is the SLOWEST way to get from point A to B.

They generally don't know what an Interstate is, taking the backroads, stopping at nearly EVERY town, that has a traffic light.

Then there are the other passengers. Definetly want to sleep with one eye open.

Maybe waring a kevlar scarf and vest might be a good idea :(
 

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got news for ya, they all have the guns it's us legal do gooders who don't have them on board the bus.
Absolutely Avenger. I am amazed when I see comments such as "oh yeah..thats just what we need is more guns" when some crazy sob is holding up another guys head. Guns, knives, hand grenades, dynamite, chains, bats, fists, knees, tire tools, etc. dont kill people. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!!!!!!
 

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You're right, I wasn't there. But I was here when a guy walked into church and opened fire with a shotgun. It took mere SECONDS for people to tackle him, which is why only two people got killed. That guy had a gun, this guy had a knife... so I'll stick by my assertion that those people are a bunch of PATHETIC, SELFISH, YELLOW-BELLIED COWARDS! Do you need me to say it again? Because I have more respect for bird droppings than I have for those cowards.

As far as the gun question, all you have to do is look at the UK... they banned guns... and now they are in a terrible situation with knife violence. It's so bad there that if you want to go anywhere in London, you have to pass through security checkpoints like these:

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They are now considering banning all knives with sharp points, including kitchen and steak knives. As if that's going to fix the problems they created by banning guns. Yeah, that's JUST what I want to turn America into... :rolleyes: Anybody who really believes that banning law abiding citizens from carrying guns is a good idea, is, quite frankly, ignorant of the facts. No offence.
 

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Where the hell is Bernhard Goetz when we need him????? :(
 

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You're right, I wasn't there. But I was here when a guy walked into church and opened fire with a shotgun. It took mere SECONDS for people to tackle him, which is why only two people got killed.

Different situation, different reaction. You really think a guy with a shotgun in a church is the same deal as a guy with a knife in a bus? I sure don't.

A guy with a gun needs to be taken out ASAP. Not that guns are dangerous or anything. . .heck, I'd never say that. . . but it seems to me that a lunatic with a gun can kill as many people as he wants from a distance. No point in running. taking him out is a matter of survival and protection of those around you.

A guy with a knife can only kill at close quarters. You may think it's brave to confront him, but sometimes brave and smart don't go together. Which is the smartest reaction? The "coward's way" which is getting the heck away from him, or the "brave man's way" which is to purposefully get into the range of his knife?

Seems to me that what you count as bravery in this case, I count as foolishness.

It also seems to me that propping up your own bravery by calling other people cowards is. . .well, it's cowardly.
 

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You're right, I wasn't there. But I was here when a guy walked into church and opened fire with a shotgun. It took mere SECONDS for people to tackle him, which is why only two people got killed. That guy had a gun, this guy had a knife... so I'll stick by my assertion that those people are a bunch of PATHETIC, SELFISH, YELLOW-BELLIED COWARDS! Do you need me to say it again? Because I have more respect for bird droppings than I have for those cowards.
I cant imagine anyone that has been in a situation like described or similar could even begin to make a statement like this.
 

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Different situation, different reaction. You really think a guy with a shotgun in a church is the same deal as a guy with a knife in a bus? I sure don't.

A guy with a gun needs to be taken out ASAP. Not that guns are dangerous or anything. . .heck, I'd never say that. . . but it seems to me that a lunatic with a gun can kill as many people as he wants from a distance. No point in running. taking him out is a matter of survival and protection of those around you.

A guy with a knife can only kill at close quarters. You may think it's brave to confront him, but sometimes brave and smart don't go together. Which is the smartest reaction? The "coward's way" which is getting the heck away from him, or the "brave man's way" which is to purposefully get into the range of his knife?

Seems to me that what you count as bravery in this case, I count as foolishness.

It also seems to me that propping up your own bravery by calling other people cowards is. . .well, it's cowardly.

... and that just sounds to me, like you're just making excuses for your cowardess.

Letting someone kill someone else because you might get hurt if you did something to stop it, doesn't sound very smart to me.

Thank God we have smarter people running this country, or we'd be surrendering to Al Queda and moving to Canada.
 

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I cant imagine anyone that has been in a situation like described or similar could even begin to make a statement like this.

That's because you can't imagine that not everyone is a coward.
 

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I'll offer my two cents from a couple of perspectives - as a father and as someone who made his living in the air transportation business for quite awhile.

First, think in terms of yourself being on a bus and an attack begins. By the time you realize what is going on and where it is going on, the victim has been stabbed multiple times. In a split second, you have to decide if intervention on your part will save the victim, or simply make you a victim. If you end up dead, your children have just lost a parent and provider. What do you do? Answer: I don't know, its a decision that only the person in the situation can make. Its also a decision that isn't clear cut. Maybe failure to act is cowardice, but maybe its a decision of responsibility with respect to those who depend on you. Sarge, I think you are a good guy and I think you have a Marine's heart, but it just isn't that easy.

As a person who used to write aviation security plans, I would also say that having untrained civilians using firearms in a crowed bus, is not something that most security experts would want to see. The simple fact of the matter is that you would be quite likely to end up with more deaths than just that of the primary victim.

I'm also having trouble understanding just how Britian's knife problem would be made less severe if guns were allowed. Sounds to me more like its a good thing that guns aren't allowed there - a nut with a gun can kill a lot more people than a nut with a knife.

What I think makes a lot more sense is for more people to carry tazers. Had the bus driver had one, and had he been trained in dealing with such a situation, this assault could have been stopped very quickly.
 

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... and that just sounds to me, like you're just making excuses for your cowardess.

Letting someone kill someone else because you might get hurt if you did something to stop it, doesn't sound very smart to me.

Thank God we have smarter people running this country, or we'd be surrendering to Al Queda and moving to Canada.

You're still not getting it. No one let anyone kill anyone else. The guy was stabbed in the chest while he was sleeping. Nobody was going to save him.

As to whether we have smarter people than me running this country, I'd reply but that would be political, wouldn't it?

One final thing. You don't know me. You don't know how I'd act in a situation like this, just like I don't know how you'd act. However, as others have pointed out here, there are plenty of options in such situations. Confrontation isn't always the best option.
 
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