Grayhound Beheading

[SgtMaj]

Re: Grayhound Beheading

The things you say about other people are outrageous and unjustifiable. It may make you feel better to think that you would have acted the hero in either of these situations, but you're living a fantasy. Let's look at the actual situations.

9/11: Six guys on the plane, at least one of whom had a box knife to the throat of a flight attendant at all times. They tell you they're hijacking the plane to another country and when they're done, everyone will be freed. You're going to risk the lives of those flight attendants by rushing those guys? You would now, knowing what the terrorists intended. However, had you been there, I'm not sure you would have seen fighting back as the bravest thing to do. The one flight that did fight back did so because they knew they were going to die, so they knew that risking the lives of the flight attendants was the right thing to do. Everyone else on the other flights did what they thought was the right thing. Had you been there, I'm willing to bet you would have done exactly what they did. If not, I've got no respect for you at all. No man has the right to gamble on the life of another in a hostage situation.

... and if every criminal situation in the US was met with complete uncooperation, they wouldn't have even tried that. What you do or don't do sends a message to the rest of the world and has future consequences, whether you want it to or not.

Greyhound bus: Moving vehicle with a center aisle that can allow one person to pass. Double seats. Let's say you're six seats ahead of the attack. Are you going to block the aisle and force others to stay within knife range as you try to fight your way against the human tide of grandmothers, children and others who simply can't fight back? Are you going to keep the guy in your window seat pinned in place while you wait for the aisle to clear? Climb over the seat backs? In your fantasy version, you have easy access to the assailant. In reality, the situation is completely different. Calling someone a yellow-bellied coward because he didn't put the lives of others at risk to try to prove a point to a violent and insane person? Doesn't make sense to me.

Actually, the attack happened at the front of the bus... and everyone has an ability to fight back in some capacity.

But hey, you know what? It's all good. This guy did what he wanted and planned to do, people let him, and now they're even going to let him go free again in 7 to 10 years. People get to live in the world they create, and as a society, I think they deserve whatever comes their way, good or bad. Hey, just don't take the bus when he's a free man again, of course, with gas prices being what they are, you won't be able to afford to drive by then either...

PS - If you were the parent of the victim in this case, your tune would change so fast it would make people's head spin. I really doubt they are sitting around saying "thank God no one tried to help him and stop the attack. I'm really glad they chose not to put themselves in harms way to help him." No, you'd be wondering why in the f-in hell no one bothered to help him... and you know what changing your position depending upon your perspective is called?... Being a hypocrite.

 

[SgtMaj]

Re: Grayhound Beheading

I wouldn't get too worked up over this, cheburashka.

By all means, don't lose your head over this.

 

[NoKlu]

Re: Grayhound Beheading

Getting back to the issue, it comes down to a matter of policy. To quote the famous saying that is often attributed to Edmund Burke, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Sure, backing away from a criminal might preserve your life a little longer, but it leaves the world just a little worse off for it. Imagine for a second, if every time a criminal wanted to commit a crime, they faced a mortal fight? There would be nearly zero crime in very short order. That is why our country fights terrorists. Violent criminals are nothing more than personal terrorists, and the correct policy for the government concerning national terrorists, is also the correct police for individuals facing personal terrorists. If I die doing that, so be it. I would rather my son grow up knowing his dad did the right thing when it really counted, than to have to live with the shame of knowing I put myself above others, and selfishly let them be victimized while I did nothing to stop it.

You hit the nail on the head SARG. That's exactly why I want my registered .45 strapped to my law abiding ,licensed and trained hip.

 

[Bob_VT]

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I wonder how many other people were on that bus at the time that did nothing to stop it. They should all have their names and photo's published, with captions that read something like, "here's what a yellow-bellied coward looks like."

On a different note, THIS is why I support open carry of firearms.

You're right, I wasn't there. But I was here when a guy walked into church and opened fire with a shotgun. It took mere SECONDS for people to tackle him, which is why only two people got killed. That guy had a gun, this guy had a knife... so I'll stick by my assertion that those people are a bunch of PATHETIC, SELFISH, YELLOW-BELLIED COWARDS! Do you need me to say it again? Because I have more respect for bird droppings than I have for those cowards.

How can a Church going person think up this dribble? You stated you were in chuch..... did everyone turn on this gunman or did just a few duck and cover to pray another day? Regardless of how close you were to this sad shooting I find it criminal to call your fellow church members cowards for ducking..... and the article stated a few charged the gunman.... not everyone is a hero. So following your line of thinking...... did you personally charge the gunman even though you may not have been close enough? That seperates the world into 3 catagories.... Gunmen (Bad Guys), Hero (those who charge the bad guy) or "PATHETIC, SELFISH, YELLOW-BELLIED COWARDS" (who failed to fit catagories 1 & 2).

If everyone carried guns this will not have prevented this instant stabbing. What if someone shot the knife yoelding suspect? And yet another person just shoots the guy who first shot the bad guy. OMG a gunfight has erupted and there may be collateral damage.

The people who fled the bus did exactly the first step that everyone should use..... run. Even in Use of Deadly Force classes and for the LEO who use the ladder of force..... to flee is step one.

No one ever plans on being a hero and no one plans on being a victim but, bad guys can plan a crime.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

Re: Grayhound Beheading

This one has went far enough with no ending in site.
Sorry fellows.