Grounding the fuel filler

KD4UPL

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I was cleaning up the boat for the new season and noticed a green wire hanging from the underside of my fuel inlet. I assume this is supposed to be a ground wire but the other end isn't connected to anything. Should it be connected to the engine block? The negative battery terminal? Either?
Does it really need to be grounded at all?

This is on a 20' Larson fiberglass bowrider with a Mercruiser 5.7 I/O.
 

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Re: Grounding the fuel filler

It is connected to the tank ground (one of the sender mounting screws) and that is connected to the boat ground.. Yes, it needs to be connected to eliminate a fire hazard caused by static electricity sparks.
 

Grub54891

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Re: Grounding the fuel filler

Yes it should be attached,the green wires on a boat are for the bonding systym. There should be bonding wires elsewhere in the boat,any place there is a through hull or trim tabs,ext. the green wires should run to a buss bar,wich in turn connects to the main ground buss.
The green wires help electrolisis from eating up drives,and gets rid of any static that may spark,expecially on a fuel filler,hook it up!
Grub
 

sasto

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Re: Grounding the fuel filler

That's a bonding wire......Never mix it up with a ground wire. A ground wire is a whole different circuit.
 

KD4UPL

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Re: Grounding the fuel filler

Okay, so I should hook it up. I can't access the fuel tank without cutting up the floor. I don't see a wire coming from the tank with the lines so I don't think it was ever connected there.
Sasto, how is a ground and a bond different on a boat? Which should this one be.
I don't really see many other ground wires on the boat going to different things. The hull is fiberglass. The only thru hull is for the bilge pump and it's plastic. I don't have trim tabs. There are some ground wires connecting different parts of the inside of the outdrive. This is probably where the wire used to connect as it's about that long. I'll have to look harder to the other end where it was connected.
 

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Re: Grounding the fuel filler

Okay, so I should hook it up. I can't access the fuel tank without cutting up the floor.

No inspection plate over the fuel sender? How would you remove the sender if you needed to replace it? The green wire should be tied to the sender's flange.

My .02
 

Grub54891

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Re: Grounding the fuel filler

This is from the abyc standards
Custom Marine Services, Quick Source, American Boat And Yacht Council, Electrical Standards And Recommended Practices For Small Craft

E-9.21 DC GROUNDING AND BONDING
E-9.21.1 DC Grounding - If a DC grounding system is installed, the DC grounding conductor shall be used to connect metallic non-current carrying parts of those direct current devices identified in E-9.14.3 to the engine negative terminal or its bus for the purpose of minimizing stray current corrosion. See Figure 15.
NOTE: This system is the DC grounding system formerly published as ABYC E-1, Bonding of Direct Current Systems.
E-9.21.2 DC Grounding Conductor
E-9.21.2.1 A DC grounding conductor shall not be smaller than one size under that required for current carrying conductors supplying the device and not less than 16 AWG. See Figure 15 and Figure 16.
E-9.21.2.2 Routing - The DC grounding conductor shall be routed from the device to the engine negative terminal or the DC main negative bus by one of the following means:
E-9.21.2.2.1 The DC grounding conductor shall be routed together with the current carrying conductors as a third wire;
E-9.21.2.2.2 The DC grounding conductor shall be routed as a separate conductor.
E-9.21.2.3 The DC grounding conductor shall be connected to a DC grounding bus in accordance with E-9.21.5.
E-9.21.2.4 Connections - DC grounding conductor connections shall be made in accordance with E-9.17.12.
E-9.21.5 DC Grounding Bus
E-9.21.5.1 The DC grounding bus shall be connected directly to the engine negative terminal or the DC main negative bus.
E-9.21.5.2 The DC grounding bus serving more than one electrical device shall comply with E-9.21.2 for the largest device, and shall be manufactured and installed in accordance with the following:
E-9.21.5.2.1 If the DC grounding bus is fabricated from copper or bronze strip, it shall have a thickness not less than 1/32 inch (0.8mm) and a width of not less than 1/2 inch (13mm); and
E-9.21.5.2.1.1 shall be drilled and tapped providing its thickness ensures no less than three full threads of engagement for the terminal screws; or
E-9.21.5.2.1.2 shall be through-drilled, and the connections made with machine screws and locknuts.
NOTE: Copper pipe may be used providing its wall thickness is sufficient for the pipe to be drilled and tapped as required above.
E-9.21.5.2.2 Copper braid shall not be used.
E-9.21.6 Combined DC Grounding and Bonding Systems - The DC grounding conductors may be combined with the following systems providing all the requirements with respect to conductor size are met for each system. See Figure 15, Figure 16 and Figure 17.
E-9.21.6.1 Lightning Protection - See ABYC E-4, Lightning Protection.
E-9.21.6.2 Cathodic Bonding - See ABYC E-2, Cathodic Protection.
E-9.21.6.3 Static Electricity Grounding - See E-9.14.4, ABYC H-24, Gasoline Fuel Systems, and ABYC H-33, Diesel Fuel Systems.
E-9.21.7 Radio Ground Plate - If the radio ground plate is connected to the engine negative terminal, the connecting conductor shall meet the requirements of ABYC E-4, Lightning Protection, since a radio ground plate may also function as a lightning ground plate.
E-9.21.8 Coaxial Cables and Conduit - The metallic braid of coaxial cables and metal conduit used for radio interference, or any form of radio shielding or armoring, shall be connected to earth ground with an insulated stranded copper conductor.
TABLE III - CIRCUIT BREAKER MINIMUM AMPERE INTERRUPTING CAPACITY
 

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Re: Grounding the fuel filler

$75 to purchase this section. https://abyc.site-ym.com/store/view_product.asp?id=1446951
Anyone have a summary?
Hi Howard, try this site for detailed Canadian requirements. Electricity is pretty much the same stuff on both sides of the border, except amperage, which is measured in metrics here of course. You can download and save or hope it's always available online. Whenever I find good stuff like this, I download and save. - Grandad
http://www.tc.gc.ca/publications/en/tp1332/pdf/hr/tp1332e.pdf
 

Grub54891

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Re: Grounding the fuel filler

Wow 75 bucks,gimmie a couple days,I'll try to find it.
Grub
 

Howard Sterndrive

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Re: Grounding the fuel filler

Hi Howard, try this site for detailed Canadian requirements. Electricity is pretty much the same stuff on both sides of the border, except amperage, which is measured in metrics here of course. You can download and save or hope it's always available online. Whenever I find good stuff like this, I download and save. - Grandad
http://www.tc.gc.ca/publications/en/tp1332/pdf/hr/tp1332e.pdf
nice! thanks!
"7.9 Grounding
7.9.1 Each metal or metallic plated component of the fuel fill system and fuel tank that is in contact with the
fuel must be grounded so that its resistance to the vessel ground is less than 1 ohm.
7.9.2 Ground wire ends shall not be clamped between the fill pipe and hose.
7.9.3 Static conductive neoprene tubing or piping that is used in lieu of metallic conductors shall be:
(a) clearly marked as static conductive; and
(b) installed in direct contact with non-painted attachment surfaces."

^there's the Canadian rules for this topic :)
 

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Re: Grounding the fuel filler

Electricity is pretty much the same stuff on both sides of the border, except amperage, which is measured in metrics here of course.

Interesting. So 4 milliamps is how much in Canadian amps? Is 1 amp US more or less than 1 Canadian amp?
I do believe amperage is already metricized. And so is the rest of electricity. Pulling your chain, Grandad. :)
 

KD4UPL

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Re: Grounding the fuel filler

No inspection plate over the fuel sender? How would you remove the sender if you needed to replace it? The green wire should be tied to the sender's flange.

My .02

I guess I'd have to cut up the carpet to remove the floor. There is a line in a square shape in the carpet that must be the outline of the tank. They may have left a separate, removable piece of floor above the tank but it's covered by the carpet. It's also partly under the rear bench seat.
At any rate, I don't think that wire was ever connected there. It's not long enough and I don't see the remnants of the other end coming out with the fuel lines. I'll connect the wire to the engine ground.

Grub, thanks for the length list of electrical specs. That's handy.
 

rbh

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Re: Grounding the fuel filler

Not that you see very many people use them, there is or should be a ground wire and clamp at every fuel dispenser/pump.
You hook it up to a chassis ground or in the case of a boat the filler inlet which should be bonded to the tank, this draws off the static charge or equilizes elecrical potential if there is one before you start to fill.
 
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