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richzz

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New member, question about the gauges on a 2002 Lowe 170W. When the key is turned on the trim, battery and fuel gauges go completely up, the tachometer and speedometer do nothing. After starting the gauges stay the same. What am I missing?
 

roffey

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Welcome aboard Richzz, not sure what you mean by the gauges stay the same. Do you mean there is no difference between just turning the key and starting the boat?
 

richzz

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Yes when I turn the switch to the on position the trim, battery and fuel gauges go completely up and stay that way until the key is turned off.
 

GA_Boater

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What happens after the motor is started? The Speedo is most likely purely mechanical and won't move unless the boat is moving and the tach needs a running motor to function.
 

roffey

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... and I think with my boat the trim needs to have the pump running. So I think you need to have the motor running.... Ill check tonight with my boat but I think what you report is normal, unless the motor is running.
 

Silvertip

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Trim should read whatever position the unit is in with the key on. The pump does not need to run - otherwise it would be a useless gauge. The other three gauges are either wired wrong or the ground connection is cross connected to the SEND ("I") terminal either at the gauge or somewhere else in the system.
 

SkaterRace

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Tach should not move unless the motor is running. Similar with the speed, it should not move unless you are moving forward.
 

H20Rat

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New member, question about the gauges on a 2002 Lowe 170W. When the key is turned on the trim, battery and fuel gauges go completely up, the tachometer and speedometer do nothing. After starting the gauges stay the same. What am I missing?

So from what you said, your engine is tilted up, you have a charged battery, and a full gas tank. Everything is normal... What were you expecting?
 

roffey

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Trim should read whatever position the unit is in with the key on. The pump does not need to run - otherwise it would be a useless gauge. The other three gauges are either wired wrong or the ground connection is cross connected to the SEND ("I") terminal either at the gauge or somewhere else in the system.

You are right, as I suspect you already knew. When I turn the key on (but not start boat) I get fuel level, trim level and even volts. I don't get speed as I can get far in the garage and no rpm as it would wake up the wife and she would get upset with me driving around the garage with out my life jacket.
 

richzz

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When the engine is running the trim and fuel gauges are completely up. Battery is showing the correct voltage and the tachometer is not working.
 

richzz

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Just got the boat and the owner said there was very little fuel in it. Operated the tilt the full range and gauge stays all the way up.
 

roffey

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It has been my experience the trim gage is not really required as you can tell by feel and sound where the motor is. The fact the trim works is what matters. The fuel gage is a different matter, I would fill it and if it still is not working I would replace. I cant see it being difficult or expensive. My 2c worth.
 

Silvertip

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Generally, gauges that peg full have bad wiring at the gauge or a wiring issue somewhere in the circuit between the gauge and sender. Of the three gauges you mention as pegging full with the key ON, two of the three require a sender which is a variable resistor, the position of which feeds a variable voltage to the gauge which translates that voltage into a fuel level or trim level. The battery gauge (a voltmeter) does not need a sender and merely measures electrical system voltage. With the engine off but key ON, that gauge should read static battery voltage which is 12.6 volts give or take a couple of "tenths" depending on the state of charge. With the engine running at slightly above idle, it should read 13.5 - 14.5 volts (again give or take a bit). Those gauges typically have about 18 volts on the high end of the range and if the needle actually pegs at 18 volts with the key on (engine running or not), something is really weird because you cannot get 18 volts from a 12 volt system with the engine OFF/key ON. I'm guessing, but I think you have a ground problem involving those three gauges. I would start by disconnecting either the +12 volt or ground wire on the voltmeter as a starting point. See what happens. Mark those wires so you can put them back on correctly. Leave those disconnected and then disconnect the wire on the "S" terminal on the trim or fuel gauge. Again see what happens. Again -- mark the wires. With those three gauges disconnected, re-connect the voltmeter. Turn on the key but do not start the engine. Does the gauge now read correctly (12.6 volts)? If yes, that gauge is not the problem. Re-connect either the fuel or trim gauge. Does the voltmeter peg again or does it remain correct? If correct, does the gauge you just connected work correctly. If not, disconnect it again and re-connect the last gauge. Does it work correctly. If so you have identified the gauge and circuit with the problem (it was the middle/second one). If the first two gauges you tested work correctly and the last one failed then that circuit is the issue. Unless you provide more detail there isn't much we can do so you need to look carefully at the wiring both at the gauges and at the senders (fuel and trim) which are in the obvious locations at the back of the boat.
 

thumpar

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I think Silvertip has you on the right track. The wiring doesn't sound right.
 

hemi rt

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It could be that you have a ground wire at the battery connected to the positive terminal. Any small wires connected to the ground post?
 

richzz

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I will check on that tonight hemi. Last night I disconnected the MPH gauge. The fuel gauge moved to about 1/2 a tank which seems about right. The trim gauge is still pegged all the way but now when I operate the tilt the gauge moves some. I think I might be going in the right direction.
 

richzz

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Was tracing wires last night and when I removed the negative feed from the motor to control panel the fuel gage was showing 1/2 full. I poured some fuel in and the gauge works. The tilt gauge is still pegged all the way up. I am thing I might have a problem with the wiring on the motor. Would any one have a wiring diagram for this motor. Yamaha 50 H.P. 50TLRA. I have searched one line and cant find anything.
 
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