Hard starting with excessive smoke first time every year

Hunky Dory

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I know what you are thinking; "poor Ed". That's not it, the fuel was treated.

This is an annual event and seems to be described by http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=71774&highlight=spring+hard+starting+smoke as a VRO pump or checkvalve problem. My engine is a 1998 90hp V4 so it fits.

So this year I decided to check it out on muffs. It was worse. I'm guessing that my problem was exacerbated by the altitude and temperature changes between last and first use. In this case the boat was towed over Trail Ridge ~12,000' and then spent the winter at ~5,500'. When I attempted to start it at 7,500 feet I couldn't raise a whimper, except on 'turkey baster carburation'.

I found my problem (and search terms) by removing the filter to discover the fuel side of the reservoir full of oil. Drained and re-primed, it fired right up on the old gas -- well OK, it lit one cylinder and then another and another in a series of fits and starts. You'll be relieved to hear that the fire department did not turn out and my neighbors' homes have slowly reemerged from the white shroud of TCW-3. And they have quit shouting whatever it was that I couldn't hear over the exhaust and repetitive alarm initialization beeps. Anyway, I shut it off as soon as I heard all four cylinders fire; there will be much more smoke at the lake, to be sure.

So it all sounds easy; except that it never has happened except in spring despite the pressure changes of crossing the ridge several times a year in the summer, so I'm not certain that a new very expensive pump is the magic bullet. If this year is the same as all others, it will start instantaneously from here on out.

Thus questions:
  • Do I need to modify my oil reservoir to vent itself or is that already accomplished by the black cap?
  • Can you suggest anything else? -- additional winterizing steps?
  • The pump I found was $379 -- what would you do?
 

multimech

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Re: Hard starting with excessive smoke first time every year

If it runs alright with no alarms and does not smoke excessively then it is fine. Boats that sit up for awhile will get oil into the carbs, the fuel evaporates and it makes them really hard to start. Usually a pressurized oil tank is the culpret and it can be relieved by leaving the cap loose. On easy solution is to disconnect the oil hose from the engine and put a plug in it, until you get it going again in the "spring?". I live in florida and we don't have a boating season here, it is all year, and yep, boats that sit for long periods get the same problem.
 

bbstacker1

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Re: Hard starting with excessive smoke first time every year

Hunky Dory, do you fog your engine at the end of the season? If so that could be part of the reason you are getting excess smoke at the first startup of the year.
 

boobie

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Re: Hard starting with excessive smoke first time every year

Multimech said it all.
 

Hunky Dory

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Re: Hard starting with excessive smoke first time every year

Thanks for responses. I guess it's some consolation to know that the problem is common. But mine is extreme in the sense that the engine will not even stumble, let alone fire, even though a carb-throat prime fires immediately it will not keep running. After a hot battery worth of trying I had to give up and drain the oil out. Then the neighborhood disappeared when it started immediately on muffs.
 

Chris1956

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Re: Hard starting with excessive smoke first time every year

Multi, if you are going to recommend folks disconnect their oil lines, you must recommend they bleed the oil line in the spring and run premix until they are sure the VRO pump is operating properly. I would fix the real problem instead. If the carbs are full of oil, there is some issue.

Hunky, I have a 1998 150HPV6 which should be very similar to your motor. I never have the issue you describe. What is the "fuel side of the reservoir". I am not familar with that component.
 

boobie

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Re: Hard starting with excessive smoke first time every year

I'm going to have to say, pressure built up in the oil tank from maybe a bad cap. Loosen the cap when you leave it sit and see what happens.
 

mikec35

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Re: Hard starting with excessive smoke first time every year

Can you put a fuel disconnect on these boats and run them out of fuel at the end of the season or will that mess up the vro setup?
 

boobie

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Re: Hard starting with excessive smoke first time every year

If you disconnect the fuel, the vro will just pump more oil into the carbs.
 

Chris1956

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Re: Hard starting with excessive smoke first time every year

It is not necessary (or smart) to run the carbs dry at the end of the season. Throw some fuel stabilizer into the tank and allow it to mix. Now run the motor on the flusher until warm and the stabilized fuel is in the carbs. Now blast the carbs with some fogging oil and when she is really smoking, turn her off and let the water drain. Change the gear oil and she ready for the off season.
 
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