has anybody tried a chi-com engine?

[ziemann]

Re: has anybody tried a chi-com engine?

Ok Cheng-Shin the asian troll....put on some thick skin....

Racism? Hardly! Asian technology abounds in the US/ Canadian boating market. Japanese based companies such as Suzuki, Yamaha, Tohatsu/ Nissan, Honda have brought innovation and competition that the entire boating industry has benefited from. The Japanese raised the bar. North American outboard manufacturers have deep relationships with the Japanese makers (such as Mercury's huge deal with Tohatsu) and we have all seen great leaps in quality, fuel efficiency, and technology as a result. I know some of you will argue that...and I am ok with that..but over all I think it holds true.

Now here is where I have a problem. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.

The Chinese (Chi-com) have brought us an outboard that they boast is a Yamaha knock off. THAT IS A SELLING POINT??? What the he11 kind of logic is that? Chinese manufacturing has shown that they do a great job of ripping off the intellectual property of other companies that have spent a great deal research and development time and dollars on bring us great technology.

Now, if Chi-com was bringing their own brand of innovative technology to the market, I would be more open minded about this. If they were raising the bar in this industry, I would be open minded. But to reward them for making a cheap knock off is rewarding theft of intellectual property.

Mr. asian troll, it is not racism, this is a lesson in ethics. And regarding your insulting statement about maybe we should take an entry level economics class....pretty brave words...you want us to take a lesson in free market economics...based on an arguement about a knock off product from a communist country where no free market exists. Brilliant logic...and I need to go to school.....

Blow me...

 

[BillP]

Re: has anybody tried a chi-com engine?

Ok Cheng-Shin the asian troll....put on some thick skin....

Racism? Hardly! Asian technology abounds in the US/ Canadian boating market. Japanese based companies such as Suzuki, Yamaha, Tohatsu/ Nissan, Honda have brought innovation and competition that the entire boating industry has benefited from. The Japanese raised the bar. North American outboard manufacturers have deep relationships with the Japanese makers (such as Mercury's huge deal with Tohatsu) and we have all seen great leaps in quality, fuel efficiency, and technology as a result. I know some of you will argue that...and I am ok with that..but over all I think it holds true.

Now here is where I have a problem. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.

The Chinese (Chi-com) have brought us an outboard that they boast is a Yamaha knock off. THAT IS A SELLING POINT??? What the he11 kind of logic is that? Chinese manufacturing has shown that they do a great job of ripping off the intellectual property of other companies that have spent a great deal research and development time and dollars on bring us great technology.

Now, if Chi-com was bringing their own brand of innovative technology to the market, I would be more open minded about this. If they were raising the bar in this industry, I would be open minded. But to reward them for making a cheap knock off is rewarding theft of intellectual property.

Mr. asian troll, it is not racism, this is a lesson in ethics. And regarding your insulting statement about maybe we should take an entry level economics class....pretty brave words...you want us to take a lesson in free market economics...based on an arguement about a knock off product from a communist country where no free market exists. Brilliant logic...and I need to go to school.....

Blow me...

That is SO true. I retired from the electronics semiconductor industry a couple yrs ago. We (the USA) invent high technology seen worldwide and the chinese copy it. Our R&D is expensive and they don't have R&D costs tagged on to their copies. The story goes on and on in that respect...however Chinese products ARE becoming high quality.

Some may not remember...before WWII we sold Japan steel...which they quietly made weapons from to bomb Pearl Harbor. At least China hasn't bombed us.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: has anybody tried a chi-com engine?

BillP
lokk up bubba W´s brother, ya remember the silverado savings and loan king? look what he is doing with taking good ole USA chip manufacturing to china, and thats the presidents brother for cripes sake.
OMC and suzuki go way back,yamaha and merc only recently fell out due to the flop of the verado.
however yamaha and merc had a partnership on the 4 strokes since sometime in the late 80´s.right now the china plant will only mnufacture 4 strokes in the 40-60 range, but them workers there at corperate fun do lack best either learn to eat fish heads and rice or join the unemployment line.
I would say 80% of the parts used in asembling a merc are made in mexico or china and 100% of the replacement parts. even the 3.0 mercruiser cyl head comes in a GM crate but Hechen En Mexico is cast in the head.
I dont care if corperate HQ is on the moon, the HQ provides 50 or so jobs and the plant 300 plus. well guess what sports fans, if your buddy or customer is jobless he does not buy much more than beer.
free trade is great for management but can be rather sucky sucky for joe assy line worker. no way average joe worker can compete with average joe chinese or mexican or even a Venezuelan. I filled the tank on a 91 jeep cherokee today, about 20 gallons, any gues´s what I spent ? so buy american?yes, however I read an automotive report a few months back about how more of a toyota tundra was produced right here in the good ole US of A than the buick century.
so which is american?

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: has anybody tried a chi-com engine?

The parts may be produced overseas, but they are then shipped back to the states to be put together my american hands.

I have trouble supporting the USA when the stuff we make sucks for the most part. Our cars still can't hold a leg to anything made in Japan.

I try to buy American as much as I can.

 

[oncebitten]

Re: has anybody tried a chi-com engine?

I've edit my response. Excuse me, that was a fairly negative and confrontational reply, and I'm new here. I would not like to get off on the wrong foot.