have we been hung out to dry by mercruiser?

[Don S]

Re: have we been hung out to dry by mercruiser?

Rodbolt:<br />Those discs ror the MIDAS electronic parts catalogs also have the service bulletins in them, and I have the newest version on this computer. Bulletin 05-12 is not on it. Neither is 10 or 11, but 13 is on it...... I can't explain what or why they do things, but they have 3 numbers missing, and now in Feb of 06 we get bulletin 2005-12 and it's also not on MercNet yet. <br />I did notice there is a correction section on the first page of the bulletin that says basically they were previously using the "Change the Y pipe method". Perhaps this is just a revision, and you were just seeing the "Old" version.<br /><br />Tashasdaddy:<br />You have the 807130A4 Y pipe. Used for the 1 piece manifolds and risers. If you use the part numbers I gave you it will work. As long as your aftermarket manifolds are shaped the same as the Merc 99746A17 and the risers are shaped like the Merc 807988A2, then it should work.<br /><br />

damn i'm frustrated,

That's the way it goes when you try to do a job with aftermarket parts and don't do all the step required, you know, like NOT changing the Y pipe!!

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: have we been hung out to dry by mercruiser?

my assumption as to the difference in the y pipes are that the 807166A7 pipe has a different angle and is closer to the transom.. which i do not has space for. only have 3/4" clearance between existing y pipe and power steering.

 

[Don S]

Re: have we been hung out to dry by mercruiser?

my assumption as to the difference in the y pipes are that the 807166A7 pipe has a different angle and is closer to the transom

Stop ASSUMING. That's why you are fighting all this frustration. You ASSUMED the the changeover to the 2 piece was as easy as changing the manifolds and risers to a different kind, even though it was mentioned the Y pipes were different.<br />You ASSUMED using the 3" risers would work.<br />Get the right parts and it will work. <br />I haven't seen the kit, just got the service bulletin and passed on the information. My thought is that Merc has changed the shape of the elbow in reallity, but not in the picture in the parts book. Happens all the time.<br /><br />If you order the right parts it will work.

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: have we been hung out to dry by mercruiser?

sorry, did not mean to offend you, you have all my respect. i was just curious about the difference.

 

[Don S]

Re: have we been hung out to dry by mercruiser?

You didn't offend me. But this KIT is brand new, and the information about it has just started to reach the dealers. So I don't know how anyone would have time to order, receive, and compare all the different parts. All we have is numbers, same as you.

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: have we been hung out to dry by mercruiser?

for information sake. talked with Peter @ Manifold Warehouse today. the HGE 4221/4222 is for the OMC and Merc (has adapter in kit)

 

[Don S]

Re: have we been hung out to dry by mercruiser?

The bad thing about that kit, is you are still stuck with buying the batwing style, which are more than standard riser/manifold combination. With the Merc kit you use standard manifolds.<br />Hopefully Manifold Warehouse will still be makeing them in 5 or 6 years when/if you need another set.

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: have we been hung out to dry by mercruiser?

cool, i didn't say i was buying them. just posted the info. right now it's running on the original batwings, and very possibly be on its way to become someone elses problem. remember i got it for FREE. and returning the GLM's as they said it would solve the problem. i've been a pain in there side since this began. but don't tell me your product(GLM) will solve my problem when it doesn't. they will do anything to get rid of me.

 

[tashasdaddy]

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another thing, the sales man is now trying to sell me the Ypipe saying the GLM is not going to produce the batwing. talked to GLM today directly. i hate a lying salesman. one other thing that bothers me is that merc express shows the elbow 14478 and the y pipe 807130A4 on the two pice exhasut system. why come out now saying it's a fix, when it's been on the site since this began. in october 05. thanks for letting me air it out. i'm just in a *****y mood.

 

[Don S]

Re: have we been hung out to dry by mercruiser?

one other thing that bothers me is that merc express shows the elbow 14478 and the y pipe 807130A4 on the two pice exhasut system. why come out now saying it's a fix, when it's been on the site since this began. in october 05

The thing to look at is the part number. 14478 is not all the part number. It was part number 14478T, but the part number needed to do the change over was 14478T01.... notice the 01, that means it's a superseded part number. Now I don't know what they did, but the part will now work on both exhaust Y's. Here on my computer I still show the 14478T number, but I am running the early January update, but if I go to Mercruiser, the part number is superceded to the new number.<br />You just don't get to see all that is going on with that part, or know what the numbers mean, or can get info from Merc like a dealer can.

 

[tashasdaddy]

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thank you, Don, you just made my point. the solution before(change the Y pipe) was more profitable for the company and dealer. now that 2 aftermarket companies "have solve the problem" for less money. it motivated the board of directors to tell the engineers, find an easy fix, to try to keep their part of the pie. this has turned into a 'what oil to use' or 'what octane do i need' type post. Thanks to everyone.

 

[bigbrownbuku]

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Originally posted by Lou C:<br /> Whew what a pain! I am glad I got an extra set of OMC batwings when I heard they were getting hard to find. Since then the price had doubled on dougrussell.com! I figure I should get 4-5 years out of each set, so I only have 2 years on the set on it now, so I am OK for a long time!<br />BTW what was the idea behind the batwing design anyway, to eliminate the riser/manifold joint and internal leaks?? It would seem to be much harder to cast these things all in one piece.

cant be part of a full FWC system which definately saves money long term also.

 

[Lou C]

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True, true, I'd love to have a full closed cooling system if I ever get another sterndrive.<br />But from what I've heard, many raw water cooled engines are ruined by leaks from the riser/manifold joint, and the one piece has no joint to leak. Still have to pull em to see how much iron has flaked off though every 4 years, and probably replace. I wondered why else they would go to the expense of having them cast like that. Had to cost more, maybe they were trying to eliminate aftermarket competition

 

[ILOVEBEER]

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Hey guys,<br /><br />I just bought a 1998 Sea Ray 190 with a Merc 4.3 EFI and I was reading on other sites that the factory one piece manifolds can allow water to enter the engine through an open exhaust valve. I REALLY dont want to shell out more loot to buy the 2 piece system, so I guess my question is how often does this really happen? does everyone with the one piece manifold have this problem? How long do I have before I have this problem? <br /><br />I haven't taken the boat out yet but all this talk of water in the oil has me worried. If I decide to do the swap, what are all the part numbers I will need and where's a good place to buy them? Also, how difficult is the actual swap? Is it suitable for a "weekend warrior" such as myself?<br /><br />Great site guys!<br /><br />-Warren

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: have we been hung out to dry by mercruiser?

Welcome to iboats You might want to start your own thread.....From what I have heard, 4.3 are a little more suseptible to water ingestion than most.....I would make sure that my exhaust shutters were in good working order.....<br />Look in the 'search' function at the top of the page, this subject has been discussed before.....JK