have you noticed?

tailfin10

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See these threads every so often about which motor is best. And how the number of post is indicative of the reliablity. And we all usually have a favorite ( you know Chevy - Ford .)But<br />where I've been ,Tablerock,Lake of the Ozarks,Kentucky Lake etc. If its old , 90% of the time its OMC. We have two Johnsons in the family 40+ years old still function. Now I am<br />not saying the new ones are the same , just that based on overall history old outboards on boats<br />makin' a wake has got to mean something.
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: have you noticed?

Hi, tailfin10 <br /><br />Here in the Midwest, that is true. I go to the same places you do(Tablerock, Lake of the Ozarks,Kentucky Lake) and see the same thing. Most older motors running around are OMC products. There are some old mercs running around here too, but the majority are OMC's. This may be a whole different story in other parts of the country...
 

Paul Moir

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Re: have you noticed?

Back in the old days, didn't merc use mild steel for their driveshafts and propshafts? That would certainly thin out their numbers.<br />There weren't any Hondas, Yamahas or Nissans back then.
 

ZmOz

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Re: have you noticed?

Yeah, basically all they had was Mercury and OMC. After 30 years my inline 6 still looks like new inside other than the damage I did to it only last year. Still some factory hone marks. ;)
 

Mercury140-I6

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My inline 6 Merc is still running hard and smooth. 25 years and counting. I am although going to get a newer powerhead Wayne (Clams Canino). I am loosing power trim fluid from a system that I can't find anyone to work on, so I am going to also change the mid-tower to the later inline 6 years with the integrated PT/T. And while I am at it, I am going to see if I can't find cowlings that don't have any dents (From when they installed my motor on my boat).<br /><br /> http://www.myfishingpictures.com/showphoto.php?photo=13003&sort=7&thecat=500&password= <br /><br />Craig
 

red10

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Re: have you noticed?

in my neck of the woods we have about 50 omc motors to 5 mercs and no yammis or hondas.
 

tee-boy

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Re: have you noticed?

You think maybe OMC had a larger market share back then? Something to think about.
 

Solittle

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Re: have you noticed?

Lets take the past and project it into the future. Take any of the hi tech motors of today with their sensors and computers and picture them still running 40 years from now - - right!!!. Betcha some of those 60s Johnny-Rudes will still be pumpin water and turnin props.
 

JasonJ

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I see a decent amount of old Mercs, and a whole bunch of old Johnyrudes. I think the differential between the two big manufacturers is not quality so much as it is what the motors are on. Johnyrudes were on the cruisers, Mercs were on the speeders. I see a lot of cruisers set up as fishin' rigs here, and the Johnyrudes are along for the ride. Fast boats are not a big thing here, so the Mercs are not as common, but still enough to keep me happy. :)
 

Paul Moir

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That fishing thing reminded me of something else:<br />Merc's smaller engines of those times were less than stellar, where most of the Johnny/Rudes were quite excellent - like the 3hp/4hp. That and there were all sorts of smaller Johnny/Rudes available. In '68 you could get a 1.5, 3, 5, 6, or a 9.5hp before you got bumped to the 18hp. Only the 1.5hp was a one-lunger.<br />And the smaller engines have a habit of surviving a lot longer than larger ones. Mabey because they're easily stored away. Or mabey its that smaller engines tend to get used less. Or that they simply sold far more small engines back then than large ones.<br /><br />I think there's a generational gap between Solittle and I. Because they're computer controlled and made of plastic, I think they will last longer than rusty old metal and finiky points. :D
 

Link

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Back then almost all dealerships were Mom and Pop owned. If they sold omc then that area will have almost all omc for older motors today.<br />Same with mercs in another area.<br />In our area 20 years ago most older motors were omc. Then around 1990 the second largest dealer in our state opened a store here. They were also the largest merc dealer in three states. In our store alone with 8 sales staff, each one of us averaged 8-15 motors per month! And thats not counting the 8-20 boats per months by each saleman with mostly mercs on them. And around 91 bayliner started using mercs and we have the largest bayliner dealership in the world here. <br />Now 14 years later it's hard not to find older mercs in this area.<br /> <br />It's hard not love a old johnnyrude! :) sorta like the energizer bunny... just keeps going, and going <br /><br />Link<br />We should change it from "The greater Puget Sound Area" to JasonJ Heaven :D
 

Bazooks

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Re: have you noticed?

Hello Everyone!<br /><br />I am from the Philippines. I grew up with boats all my 28 years of my life(thanks to my father) here its always been Johnson VS Evinrudes. Yamaha only came in about 5 years ago! Strange for that Were both in Asia! Nowadays, Yamaha own about 30% market share here. And I am about to get a 225 2 stroke next week! :D <br /><br />Thanks
 
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DJ

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Johnson vs Evinrude. That is funny considering they were identical, except for paint and trim.
 

talitje

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Wasn't Mercury the most expensive engine ? Especialy about 40 Years ago , logic tels me :that maybe there has been more O.m.c engines sold due to there price tag , Mercury was for people with enough cash , that is wat my grandpa told me .Y own a 33 hp Johnson from 1966 and a Mercury 45 (cloudy white,Kiekhaefer) from 1962 , and the Mercury . The difrence in these engines is like day and night. :D
 

Forktail

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Re: have you noticed?

I see many of you are fresh water boaters. <br /><br />It makes sense that, since many of the modern outboard manufacturers didn't make outboards long ago, and the one's you're seeing are in fresh water, and probably used only occasionally, that they'd still be around.<br /><br />Any older OMC that was used extensively in saltwater is dead. I suppose there could be a few exceptions, but I don't know how. <br /><br />From the 1960's through the early 1980's OMC was all I used guiding and commercial fishing. Their kickers literally fell apart....handles, levers, bolts/nuts, horrible corrosion, etc. Their bigger models seemed to be plagued with electrical problems. When oil injection came out the OMC's really went to hell, IMO. If I remember, my favorites were the late 1970's 70 HP's. Their 115 wasn't bad either. In general I suppose you could say the OMC's engines themselves were tough, but the rest of the outboard was junk. Merc made a tougher outbord in general, but the engines and lowers never lasted as long. I get at least double the life out of my modern 4-strokes compared to the older OMC's.<br /><br />My first 4-stroke was about 1978. A Honda. Then Yamaha came in. After that, I never looked back (But like an idiot, I did try a pair of FICHTS in the late 90's - big mistake).<br /><br />Anyway, nothing but Yamaha and a few Honda's up here. Most dealers here hardly stock 2-strokes or HPDI's. They're generally special order. I can't remember the last time I saw an older OMC on a boat. But my neighbor still runs the heck out of that old 1978 Honda. ;)
 

Dunaruna

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60s & 70s in Australia we had Merc. Johnson/evinrude, chrysler and suzuki, in that order of popularity (from the memory of a 10 year old anyway). My pop bought a chrysler because of its rugged squarish looks!<br /><br />Back then, nissan was datsun and yammahas had 2 wheels.<br /><br />Aldo
 

andrewkafp

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That's the way I remember it in Melbourne too,Dunaruna.<br />If you owned a Merc, you were wealthly. :eek: . I was always told that they were very expensive and the "Best" What I wasn't told is that a 70's Merc is STILL expensive if you wanna buy parts for it. I have gained some respect for the other brand names now though after reading many threads.<br />My brother-in-law had Evinrudes and Johnno's and they never seemed to fail us on the water.
 

Dunaruna

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Hey unicorn, I also have a memory of those tiny 'seagulls' on the back of yachts, the ones with a small fuel tank on top, look like a wipper snipper. They were everywhere. Dont see those around anymore. <br /><br />I've just come back from a weekend in Lochsport, great little outboard museum there. Outboards right back to 1914. Very interesting. Some weird looking motors though.<br /><br />Ditto on the Evinrudes, back then their reputation was excellent.<br /><br />Aldo
 
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