head bolt broke off!

BEKO1212

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what type of drill drill bit do i use to make a hole on broken head bolt? im using a cobalt drill bit and im getting nowhere. someone told me to use a titanium drill bit.is there a difference between a titanium and titanium covered drill bit?
 

boobie

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Re: head bolt broke off!

I've used nothing but cobalt drill bits but they have to be sharp and drill at a low speed. I'm sure somebody else will chime in here with more ideas.
 

BEKO1212

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Re: head bolt broke off!

ok now i got another problem.i started drilling through the bolt and the drill bit snapped in the bolt and i can get it out and now i cant drill through the bolt anymore.any ideas guys?
 

toybuilder039

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Re: head bolt broke off!

You should try a left handed drill bit alot of times it will bring the broken bolt out if that don't work you will need a carbide bit
 

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Re: head bolt broke off!

Is the head bolt broken off flush with the head or block?
 

BEKO1212

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Re: head bolt broke off!

flush. and drill bit is stuck in hole is was drilling flush too.
 

Daviet

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Re: head bolt broke off!

OK, but is it flush with the head or block, in other words is the cylinder head still on or is the head off of the block?
 

BEKO1212

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Re: head bolt broke off!

its flush with the head and i cant get the head to come off.i dont know why because there isnt any threads on the head. it should slide right out.
 

Daviet

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Try heating the area of the head around the bolt, and then gently prying the head off of the bolt. This has worked for me in the past.
 

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Re: head bolt broke off!

Yes you can, And very easily, But if you take your time and work at getting the head off, You can remove the stud with a pair of Vise grips. May the broken bolt Gods be with you. ;)
 

Daviet

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Re: head bolt broke off!

You could if you got it to hot. Don't try and melt it, just heat it up. Maybe heat it up and let it cool down a couple of times. I don't know what engine you have, but some heads are not that expensive used.
 

dazk14

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Re: head bolt broke off!

1st - what engine are we dealing with here?

If you have the other bolts off then grab a block of wood and a ~5lb short handle sledge and start whacking away laterally on the head away from the bolt.

Your goal here is to rotate the head. Your favorite penetrating oil might help on the bolt to head "stiction", although it's not necessary.

As Daviet has said heat will help but is usually not needed. This helps to avoid warping the head.

You can also use wood chisels. Flat side MUST face the block. If you can, start away from the bolt. This will help break the gasket seal, if there is one. It'll be a little easier to rotate.

On the bigger motors there is ~1/4" of seal surface...so don't be a pig with any individual chisel. Wider chisels help to spread the load, but is not always accessible.

Now...Your broken bolt. The bolt gods probably did you a favor breaking it. The portion sticking out from the block makes it a much easier job and don't even dream about an easy-out.

You will, however, need heat and good vice grips at a minimum. Welding a nut onto the stud is ideal, but you may not have a welder. The slightly round vice grip jaws tend to work best. You then need a hot torch - acetylene or a good mapp gas - so the block can be heated fairly quickly.

Some like to use a candle on the exposed stud, but most do it dry. Once you get the localized block area hot, you're looking to work the stud back and forth without breaking it off.

Unfortunately, it does take some experience sizing it up and having a feel for the torque. Also getting the aluminum hot without melting it - however this would take a fair amount of time with map gas.

If the aluminum threads come out with the stud, just drill and tap using a heli-coil or timesert.

It might be worth a few phone calls to have the stud removed for you. It isn't pricey.

As boobie said, SOLID cobalt alloy drill bits are the way to go. They deal well with heat and can be re-sharped. They are usually available in 5% and 8%, M36 and M42. The m42 are more brittle, so I'd avoid them in smaller sizes (my opinion).

Titanium bits are simply a coating, don't like heat and you'll remove the coating when re-sharpened, but certainly an improvement over the steel base. There are also cobalt coated bits and these are - again - an improvement over the steel base.

I think that's enough for now.
 

BEKO1212

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Re: head bolt broke off!

It seems like the bolt is seized on the smooth part of the bolt. I can rotate the head and the bolt where the the threads are is moving.i hink if i can slide the head off the bolt the bolt would be easy to get out.
 

BEKO1212

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Any other ideas guys? I wasted about $75 in drill bits and Bolt removal sets and about 6 hrs of time and im about to lose it!!
 

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Re: head bolt broke off!

can you get any space between the head and block?..if so...try a wooden wedge on each side of the bolt between the block and head...with patience and penetrating oil of some type this may be successful...don't use any wedge material harder than plastic
 
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