HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

[askmelater]

Re: HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

Have you checked compression? Cylinder scoring will always cause compression to be down. You're probably hearing bearing noise, with quite a few possible choices (wrist pin, rod, main bearings) or damage to one or more of the surfaces the bearing ride on. Piston slap is another possibility.

All Pistons were 125 and I was happy to hear that. That's the first thing I did.

I put some Lube in all the spark plug holes and the motor turns over easier manually. (Got nailed on the chest with lube ))

The SCRAPING sound appears to be coming from the gear case - not the pistons. The other motor doesn't make any sound when turning manually.

The KNOCKING sound sure sounds like its coming from the oil injector side or specifically crankcase. I thought that - the mechanic who hooked it up to a computer thought that. He thought it was one of the main Crank Shaft Bearings.

I'm wondering if there is any chance the lower gear is knocking and the noise is traveling all the way up the motor to flywheel and crankshaft housing?

I was told to check lower gear first because that can happen and I did. The motor with the problem had a slight milky green color and a few small metal pieces on the filler screw. The other motors oil looked brand new and no clippings.

The motor with a problem makes a slight knocking or clicking sound when you spin the prop by hand and appears to might have a slight bend in the shaft. Minor stuff though.

The SCRAPING Sound coming from the mid to lower section sounds VERY ODD. Sounded like a tight un-lubricated piston rubbing but perhaps not.

 

[woody66912]

Re: HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

I have two 115HP Ficht motors.

The Port motor just developed a knock. Had a guy come out and hook it up to computer. Everything checked out. Thought the knock might be main crank bearing. It's very consistent.

I've been using West Marine TC-W3 oil since I got the boat used about 6 years ago. Mainly Trolling around 2700rpm.

Never had a manual and just learned about Ficht Oil. I've heard that is thinner perhaps. I'm in Hawaii and I'm not sure if anyone has that here.

DOES IT MATTER?

Also, I filled the oil up to the cap recently because I couldn't see the oil level in the two oil tanks in small battery compartment. It might have been full already and I just topped it off. Don't know if that really matters.

Restricting return oil line???

I pulled one of the Oil lines off the Oil Injector and at IDLE it pumps oil about every 10-15 seconds. About enough to cover a finger nail. NOT MUCH.

I figure that is all you get at idle speed. The Oil Pump pumps plenty.

BOTH MOTORS pumped the same amount of oil from Injector (fingernail worth)

I'm thinking about using a large meat syringe to push oil through all the oil lines to check for blockage and see if the noise goes away???

Does anyone know how the OIL INJECTOR is supposed to be pumping oil?

Do I need to use Ficht Oil? I'm wondering if I've been starving the system by using a slightly thicker oil (if that is actually correct?)

THANK YOU.

I think askme later is right if compression is good.Pull the prop shaft bearing carrier out and look at the lower unit gears, My gut felling is that is the sours of the knock.

 

[askmelater]

Re: HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

I think askme later is right if compression is good.Pull the prop shaft bearing carrier out and look at the lower unit gears, My gut felling is that is the sours of the knock.

Ok, I'm done with this already. Too much wasted water.

I forgot it was easier to turn over after oiling through all the plugs because I had ALL THE PLUGS out.... duhhhh....

It was interesting that the scraping sound appears to be coming from the lower unit not cylinders. That might be an entirely different issue.

I had good compression and the motor was running fine last time.

This time I'll run each motor separately and check to see how they perform.

It still sounds like the knocking is coming from the top, right under the flywheel, like it's a bearing BUT it could be the lower problem moving the sound up the motor.

Time to take it out and give it a run.

Thanks guys.

 

[askmelater]

Re: HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

Ok, I'm done with this already. Too much wasted water.

I forgot it was easier to turn over after oiling through all the plugs because I had ALL THE PLUGS out.... duhhhh....

It was interesting that the scraping sound appears to be coming from the lower unit not cylinders. That might be an entirely different issue.

I had good compression and the motor was running fine last time.

This time I'll run each motor separately and check to see how they perform.

It still sounds like the knocking is coming from the top, right under the flywheel, like it's a bearing BUT it could be the lower problem moving the sound up the motor.

Time to take it out and give it a run.

Thanks guys.

One thing that was weird..... when I turned the problem motor over by had - the prop moved on every little turn.

The other motor doesn't move the prop at all.

When the motor is on. It doesn't move until I engage it.

Anyone know why that might be. When I do it again I might have someone hold the prop and see if it's just excess fluids doing that?????

 

[askmelater]

Re: HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

Finally got around to taking the leg off.

I was fixing my jet ski's and having fun with those.

Took the leg off and it appears the shaft seal is probably leaking a little and needs to be replaced.

I ran a water hose into the tube and ran the motor and the knock is still there.

I'm going to take the leg to a shop to have it looked at.

It appears that the motor needs to be rebuilt with either a worn crank bearing or main bearing on top?

 

[noelm]

Re: HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

You seem to have this tunnel vision with oils and injecting syringes to flush out things, now you are worried about your gearbox oil, you took the leg off and the noise is still there, yet you are sending the gearbox out to be fixed, what are they going to fix?? set that thinking aside for a while and listen to some of the people here! and toss your Seloc manual and buy a genuine manual, your motors are far too specific to rely on generic manuals for repairs/diagnostics, they are great engines and well worth finding the problem and fixing it.

 

[askmelater]

Re: HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

I already mentioned that the gear oil in the problem engine was a little milky - not terrible but water was getting in. Time to fix it. I also mentioned that spinning the prop by hand in Neutral made a little noise and there was a little metal on the gear screw.

Since I took that off to see if the Lower Gear was the problem (noise traveling up exhaust making noise???) I might as well fix the lower.

Ran the head and I still had the noise. Must be bearings?

Wanted to make sure the oil injector was working properly and that the hoses weren't clogged. That's what the syringe was for. Also to see if I could change the noise with the oil by lubricating it some more. I might have changed it a little from a sharp knocking to something a little lighter but not fixed.

Took all the TC-W3 oil out and replaced with XD-50 just in case. I doubt after 920 hours that oil was the problem. It did need to be de-carbed. I do a lot of trolling in Hawaii at 2700-2900 RPMS but I run it hard while I can to clean it out. Sometimes its hard to run in 6-8 foot waves
I always run it hard near shore on the way in.

It has nothing to do with manuals. I have two of them.

So basically, I have been able to strip it down and isolate the problem.

Not oil. Not lower gear.

One thing what was odd? The computer says the motor is timed -2 BTDC
and the other motor that is running well is 2 ATDC.

It's been a while but I remember motors always being ATDC???

 

[wilde1j]

Re: HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

OEM shop manual will tell the timing setting to shoot for. Guessing leads to powerhead damage.

 

[askmelater]

Re: HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

The SELOC manual I have is the Johnson/Evinrude Repair Manual. It's the same as the PDF version I just got with the computer software and hookup cable which just says Johnson Repair for 1992-2001 Outboards including Ficht.

For the Ficht model, it says its all handled from the computer.

I was just wondering why the TIMING OFFSET on the problem motor said -2.0 BTDC while the other motor said 2.0 ATDC

You'd think they would be the same and ATDC??

The reason I bring this up....

The motor wasn't knocking until it was sitting for about 9 months and I took it out. All of a sudden - it had a knock. That's why I focused on oil.

That's why I'm wondering if the knock could be the timing somehow thrown off?

I pumped out all the old gas to remove that possibility.

 

[Faztbullet]

Re: HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

The ECU is trying to keep problem engine running at set idle rpm by adjusting fuel and timing,thus your offset. You got a bad bearing or more likely a scuffed piston so just tear it down and fix it. Check your oil tank as it may have water in it from condensation from setting,this will make one start knocking..

 

[Haffiman]

Re: HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

Most likely you will find a failed wrist-pin/piston bearing.
As for oil.
I always used Carbon Guard whenever running those engines on ordinary TCW-3 oils.
Keeps them as clean as running the XD-50 oil from OMC/BRP.
Had customers that simply could not stand the perfume smell they used in the XD-50 oil!
To easily check oil-delivery to engine do as follows.
Remove the air-intake box.
Manually activate the oil-solenoid and watch the oil tubes in the air-intake throats.
Same amount should come out in all tubes.
If you have the lap-top diagnostic program , it is a bit easier.
Had it as a routine whenever starting engines after winter lay up.

 

[askmelater]

Re: HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

Thanks guys.

The lines are black with oil so you can't see any oil flow. Had to check that manually. Clear lines, dark oil, good luck seeing anything move. The rate of movement is only something like 1/10 inch every few minutes (whatever the manual said).

Timing moving backwards to help idle? That's a possibility. It does run smooth and revs nicely, just with noise.

The difference in BTDC and ATDC reminded my of tuning up my old car and the noise it would make when the timing was wrong (twisting distributor). Was wondering if somehow the timing slipped and was causing knock. Doesn't appear so.

 

[seahorse5]

Re: HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

Have you checked and adjusted the timing pointers to make sure that they are positioned properly, then timed the motor using the software? You do not set the timing on a FICHT or E-TEC. You read what the computer says the timing should be and compare that with the actual timing marks on the flywheel. Then you use the software to advance or retard the engine timing marks, using the timing light, to equal what the computer says. That is called the timing offset and you cannot compare it to another motor. Each is unique.

 

[askmelater]

Re: HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

Have you checked and adjusted the timing pointers to make sure that they are positioned properly, then timed the motor using the software? You do not set the timing on a FICHT or E-TEC. You read what the computer says the timing should be and compare that with the actual timing marks on the flywheel. Then you use the software to advance or retard the engine timing marks, using the timing light, to equal what the computer says. That is called the timing offset and you cannot compare it to another motor. Each is unique.

Thank you.

I was aware after reading about it in the manual that the timing can be adjusted and set in the computer. The timing needs to be within a range of something like 3-4 degrees... I need to read that again because I think it mentioned using the #2 piston on Ficht motors. I was like... what? I was just looking it over quickly though.

I just wondering if somehow the timing could have slipped. I did clean off the sensor and I will check the marker and use a timing light to check both motors. It's something to look at to confirm.

Fastbullet had a good point about the compute possibly moving the timing up a little to offset possible engine wear/resistance. (I siphoned all the oil out and replaced it).

 

[Haffiman]

Re: HELP - 2000 Evinrude Ficht Oi/Bearing

The timing off reading may be more than 4 degrees, the computer prg however only allows you to do corrections with max 4. If more than 4, you just have to repeat until you get it correct.