Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

[73manatee]

Hi all, i picked up a project boat that me and my family are rebuilding im doing the engine/outdrive my wife and kids are doing the cabin. its in good shape for the most part its a 83 bayliner it has a smallblock chevy in it with a volvo penta sterndrive... i have very little experience with i/o i have always had outboards. Anyway first off i thought the steering cable was frozen, it turns out the outdrive itself wont pivot... at all. any ideas? has anyone come across this situation before?? Also it moves up and down very easily kinda makes me wonder what will happen when i put it in reverse.. will it just come right up and have the prop on the surface??? i dont see any kind of hydraulics to lift and lower the outdrive... also the last owner ended up wrapping a rope around the damn prop and its tight as heck i havent pulled the prop off yet to take the rope out but it looks like it might have destroyed the seal but i dont see oil leaking but the boat has been sitting out of water for a few years now and the motor needs some work it was changed over to a new exhaust where it comes out above the waterline its a brand new set up for the most part. Also, one other thing is the cooling water supposed to be sent out the exhaust or is it supposed to be shot out an overboard discharge through the side of the boat?? or both?? im not familiar with all of this i can make the engine run but im not familiar with the outdrive situation and the cooling situation... Any help would be greatly appreciated, my wife and i have wanted a boat like this for a long long time now and we finally got it and im kinda lost on these couple things but everything else im good to go with.. so like i said any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks alot, Joe

 

[cr2k]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

Pictures would be a great help. What drive? 270?
assuming so the drive is raised by a rod that runs from the inside tilt motor on the port side. Down is gravity, there is (should be) a reverse lock that holds the drive down in reverse like an OB. Turning? usually they get sloppy not tight.

The exhaust usually exits via the flapper on the cavitation plate above the prop. Never seen one go out the side, that is usually the bilge pump.

Some good pictures would be a great help since we can't be there to see it.

 

[73manatee]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

Hey i appreciate the reply, i will go out there and take some pics here soon before it starts raining. I did some research last night and if im not mistaken someone pulled the damn tilt motor and everything off of the outdrive!!, you know inside? by the bellhousing... i dont recall seeing any hydraulic pistons outside either to raise and lower the outdrive. anyway, im gonna take a few detailed pics for you all to look at and maybe itll help out alot.

 

[captmello]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

Most of the older volvos don't have power tilt, only an electric tilt mechanism. The tilt is identified by a flat black box on the port side of the engine behind the bellhousing.

We can help you with some manuals if you can identify the engine and drive model numbers.

Pics would help as stated earlier.

Did you disconnect the steering cable to confirm it wasn't the problem? Do you have power steering?

The raw water would typically exit with the exhaust through the outdrive. In your case it would come out of your thru hull exhaust. Get some pics of that as well, inside and out.

Good luck.

 

[73manatee]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

Heres some pics if you need more let me know i will go out and take them.. ans yes i pulled the cable off of the steering yoke, i thought it was the cable that was frozen also, (most common) but it turned out the whole outdrive wont pivot. I drained some of the oil from the outdrive its pretty clean for the most part so i dont think there was any salt water intrusion from the rope around the prop.. i managed to find the motor for the tilt mech. I didnt see any black box anywhere i think from what i can see he had it hooked directly up to the switch?? i dont know... Im having a problem uploading pics so my Wife is making a snapfish account and i will provide the link in my next posting... I really appreciate the help guys, i really do!!

 

[captmello]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

Hummm... No pics.

best way is to post pics to a website like photobucket and link them to your post.

The outdrive pivots on the water intake tube at the intermediate (middle) section of the drive. There is a set of needle bearings that the drive pivots on. The grease zerk is right above the retaining pawl on the outdrive.

Any luck with the engine model on your boat AQ###? Aq225 perhaps if its a 305 or AQ260 if it's a 350.

You mentioned salt water.

 

[73manatee]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

LOL, Im having a prob uploading pics my wife is making a snapfish account i will post a link in my next reply and you will be able to see all the pics i took of the boat i can take some more if needed... just let me know.. give me a few min and i'll have it posted... i really appreciate all the help!! you guys are awesome!!

 

[73manatee]

link to the pics

link to the pics

http://www2.snapfish.com/thumbnails...otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish/

Ok heres the link it has all the pics if you need more let me know. I dont know what drive it is yet... where can i find that info?? i just picked up the manual for the outdrive... the drive is a bit rough looking but like i said the oil came out clean no water in it which is a good thing!! let me know what you all think...

 

[captmello]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

It appears you need to have an account with snapfish to look at the pics. the one pic I see is the top of the tilt mechanism without the black relay box on the top. Your going to need that.

 

[sbbamafan]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

Two things.

I cant see the pics b/c I dont have a snapfish account. I think there is a way you can set them up to be shared without the viewer having an account. If not, I suggest you use photobucket or one of the other online services to do this.

Also you said you dont know what your outdrive is but you got a manual. How do you know you have the right manual if you dont know what it is?

 

[73manatee]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

I will put them on photobucket and include the link... as far as the tilt motor goes yeah, i was afraid of that... the relay box is missing, it looks as though someone raped this boat for parts at one time and that relay box was one of the things to go, it looks like he was hotwiring the motor right to the switch.. prob a really bad idea but it looks like thats how it was set up. I found the motor and checked it, it works in both directions. I was kinda hoping that the relay box was still in the boat somewheres but i havent found it... I am worried that its a dealer part and you know what that means... big $$$ but whatever this is a project i have my little runabout that i use for the rivers and streams around here im in no major rush to get it going... The link to photobucket will be posted here soon...

 

[73manatee]

photobucket link

photobucket link

Here is the photobucket link: http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/whynotjulz/boat/

If they ask for a password the password is: duckies

 

[73manatee]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

Two things.

I cant see the pics b/c I dont have a snapfish account. I think there is a way you can set them up to be shared without the viewer having an account. If not, I suggest you use photobucket or one of the other online services to do this.

Also you said you dont know what your outdrive is but you got a manual. How do you know you have the right manual if you dont know what it is?

The manual is a seloc manual that covers 1968-91 volvo penta outdrives i have a 83 bayliner with a with a volvo penta outdrive...

 

[captmello]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

I registered out of curiosity.

Its a 280 outdrive. And I believe it is an AQ200d. Go to this link and type in aq200d in the "engine type" box and hit enter. However I'm not convinced for sure, could be a crusader engine. Post a pic of the front of the engine if you can.

http://www.volvo.com/volvopenta/global/en-gb/marine_leisure_engines/parts_service/publication_search/publication_search.htm

The tilt mechanism is also missing the motor.

http://www.volvopentastore.com/MECHANICAL_LIFT_DEVICE_AQ_DRIVE_UNIT_280_LATE_TYPE/dm/*******.851592244--**********.266133212--store_id.366--view_id.327367

The shift mechanism cover is missing from the back of the drive as well.

The lower unit where the rope is appears to be missing the anode, Have a look at this link

http://www.volvopentastore.com/LOWER_GEAR_UNIT_AQ_DRIVE_UNIT_280/dm/*******.851592244--**********.266133212--store_id.366--view_id.327425

You've got your work cut out for you. I hope you have some funds put aside for this project.

 

[Don S]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

Well
On your lift, you are missing most of it. On top of this should be the motor, the electrical controls and all.

After looking at your engine picture, DUDE !!!!!
Automotive distributor, unsafe fuel line and all .................

And your 280 OUTDRIVE

BTW, you have line in your prop !!!!!!!!!

 

[73manatee]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

As far as the tilt motor i found it this morning, it was in the cabin under the sink.. i cannot find the relay box and it appears that the motor was hard wired to the tilt switch... kinda odd. Anyway, yeah i figured it was gonna cost a bit to get this boat up and running. i am going to slowly fix things up on it. the hull is in great shape and the interior is so/so but definitely not too bad. the interior is the least of my worries. I dont know exactly how the cooling water should be routed out of the engine, is it supposed to all go out the exhaust or all out the side of the boat? or is it supposed to be split between the two? the intake for the water is hooked up the output for the water pump is hanging and the hoses for the thermostat are laying on op of the intake manifold... As far as the outdrive goes i had clean oil or i should say somewhat clean oil come out of it this morning it was full and no water came out of it which is a good thing. i am going to try and get that prop off of it and take that rope out from behind it and see what i have with that... but the fact that the outdrive wont pivot kinda has me a bit worried and i think greasing it at this point is too little too late its siezed up hard i cant get it to even budge. i really dont want to pull the whole outdrive off but if i have to then i have to...

 

[73manatee]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

Yeah its a mess i know, i got it for a steal though. What you are looking at is exactly the way i got it. If you look at the port exhaust tube you will see the wires for the tilt motor it looks like he had them hardwired to the motor... yeah the whole engine compartment is a total mess.

 

[captmello]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

It looks like you've got mercuiser exhaust and perhaps the entire engine is merc or cruisader. Update your photos with pis of the front of the motor and perhaps a pic of the outdrive by the retaining pawl where the drive pivots.

I agree that the oil coming out clean is a good thing and I hope we can help you along as you go through it. Since you're making a project of it, be ready to pull the drive and go through it. We'll help however we can.

May I ask how much of a budget you are working with before we start something you can't finish?

 

[Don S]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

but the fact that the outdrive wont pivot kinda has me a bit worried and i think greasing it at this point is too little too late its siezed up hard i cant get it to even budge.

There are plastic bushings in the transom shield where the steering fork comes through the transom shield. These things build up corrosion between the bushings and the transom shield that squeeze down on the fork and lock it up. See it all the time in salt water boats.
One thing right to start with. DO NOT GET A BIG Hammer out of your tool box till you ask here. You can do some really spendy damage and not realize it.
You have to usually melt the plastic bushings out of transom shield, hope the tiller arm isn't corroded on (heat it too) and pry the fork down.
This is after removing the upper gear box.

Here are the OEM manuals. You better start reading and asking before you start doing.

DRIVE: http://www.4shared.com/file/48536730/fa3b3311/280_to_DP-C_Drive_manual.html

ENGINE: http://www.4shared.com/file/89797331/c4296b6f/AQ200_to_260_Service_Manual.html

 

[Don S]

Re: Help please on a volvo penta sterndrive

It looks like you've got mercuiser exhaust and perhaps the entire engine is merc or cruisader.

That's Volvo exhaust, engine, well, it's probably a truck or car who knows.