Help with 5.0 220 horse on Lake Tahoe... engine RPM's and Speed?

theskyking

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Hi everyone, I'm running a bayliner 205, year 2005, on Lake Tahoe, elevation 6220 feet.

At about 4000 RPM's I'm only getting 25 mph. Max RPMs, or around 5500, I'm only getting 32MPH.

I've read some threads where people say their cruising RPMs at 25mph is around 3200.

Is there something wrong with my boat? Need a new prop geared for Tahoe? Or just high elevation blues?

Any help appreciated, thanks!
 

HT32BSX115

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Re: Help with 5.0 220 horse on Lake Tahoe... engine RPM's and Speed?

Hi everyone, I'm running a bayliner 205, year 2005, on Lake Tahoe, elevation 6220 feet.

At about 4000 RPM's I'm only getting 25 mph. Max RPMs, or around 5500, I'm only getting 32MPH.

I've read some threads where people say their cruising RPMs at 25mph is around 3200.

Is there something wrong with my boat? Need a new prop geared for Tahoe? Or just high elevation blues?

Any help appreciated, thanks!


Howdy,

Welcome aboard!

Well, you DO know that you will not get the same performance at 6000 MSL that you would get at Sea Level?

Also,

You need to be a little more specific on what you have. ..we don't need to know what model boat you have but the Make, model, serial numbers (Mercruiser uses serial numbers more specifically than year models) engine, drive(ratio) prop pitch, etc......will help immensely.



Also, 5500 RPM either indicates that your tach is faulty, you have the wrong drive, wrong prop, or your running an outboard and you're in the wrong forum!

Regards,


Rick
 

theskyking

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Re: Help with 5.0 220 horse on Lake Tahoe... engine RPM's and Speed?

Thanks Rick.

I don't understand why elevation should matter sea level vs 6200 feet *given* that RPMs are constant. For example if I am running 4000 RPM at sea level and 4000 rpm at 6000 feet elevation, shouldn't that mean the prop would be turning at exactly the same speed, which would mean it's moving exactly the same amount of water, which would mean I'd be going the same speed at same RPM? Sure, it may take longer to get to that speed due to being at higher elevation, but it seems to me that 4000RPM is a constant, for example, whether at sea level or Tahoe.

Secondly, I will definitely research the details you asked me, but in the meantime can someone give me some basic bench marks that I should be looking for with my boat? For example what's recommended cruising RPMS and how fast should that be in MPH? Also, WOT, is this just for going fast for a few minutes so as not to burn up the engine? My RPM gauge goes all the way to 6000 RPM, and it is an inboard/ouboard. Do I ever want to run at 6000 RPM or will that burn up my engine?

I'd like to start with some basic understanding. Any answers to these questions? Thanks.
 

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Re: Help with 5.0 220 horse on Lake Tahoe... engine RPM's and Speed?

I don't understand why elevation should matter sea level vs 6200 feet *given* that RPMs are constant. For example if I am running 4000 RPM at sea level and 4000 rpm at 6000 feet elevation, shouldn't that mean the prop would be turning at exactly the same speed, which would mean it's moving exactly the same amount of water, which would mean I'd be going the same speed at same RPM? Sure, it may take longer to get to that speed due to being at higher elevation, but it seems to me that 4000RPM is a constant, for example, whether at sea level or Tahoe.
Absolutely right. And if you can get it to run 4000 @ 6000 MSL, you would see the same speed.

The problem here is that you said you're turning 5500 RPM. That's basically impossible if the boat is "propped" correctly AND it has the correct drive ratio.


Secondly, I will definitely research the details you asked me, but in the meantime can someone give me some basic bench marks that I should be looking for with my boat? For example what's recommended cruising RPMS and how fast should that be in MPH? Also, WOT, is this just for going fast for a few minutes so as not to burn up the engine? My RPM gauge goes all the way to 6000 RPM, and it is an inboard/ouboard. Do I ever want to run at 6000 RPM or will that burn up my engine?

In a word, NO. and again if you're propped right, ratio is correct, the engine will never make it to 6000 RPM.

In general, your engine should turn in the manufacturers recommended RPM range when at WOT. This is generally true for any marine engine I/O, OB, or inboard.

AND specifically just about all the engine makers suggest that you slect a prop that will give you an RPM right at the top of the range when lightly loaded and running at the elevation where you'll run the most.

When you get it set up like that you'll get the best all around performance out of the boat.

The recommended range will depend on what you have. Most newer engines have rev limiters so it's impossible to get the engine to exceed a preset RPM.

In general, most I/O's have a recommended upper limit of about 5000 RPM. The range varies around 4200-5000 I think the 5.0L engines have a range somewhere around 4400-5000RPM.....if it has electronic ignition, the rev limiter may be set at 5100RPM. The normal range should be in your owners manual. Since this is a Mercruiser forum, you must have a Merc. I think the drive for a 5.0L V-8 is 1.5:1

You can use a prop slip calculator to get in the ball-park of what your boat *should* do.
Prop Slip Calculator


Mercury has a prop calculator that will suggest an approx pitch to start at if yours is way wrong.

So if you had a 1.5:1 drive, 19p prop and you ran your boat at 5000 RPM, you would get a theoretical speed of 60 mph (no slip)

Since ALL props "slip" (about 15% for a single prop) your boat should do about 50 mph at WOT (5000rpm @ sealevel)

This is all at Sea Level though. The same engine and prop at Tahoe might only do about 4000 RPM or less and that would be less than recommended so you would maybe go to a 17p prop (or even a 15) because your engine would only make about 75% of max power at that alt.

(But you would still want it to run in the recommended range of RPM)

I took my 21ft 1987 Four Winns Liberator (454/Bravo III) to Tahoe a few years ago.

I have 26p props on it and at approx sea level, I can get it to run 4600 at WOT and 57mph.

At Tahoe, I installed 24p props and was only able to get it to run 4200 RPM. I don't remember what speed it ran...somewhere around 40 mph. I was surprised it even planed...I had 8 people and 3 dogs in it .

By the way, one of the things Mercury does is recommend lower drive ratios for "high" altitude operation. It's all about getting the engine to operate in the recommended range.......... You can't always just change the props (but it usually works.)
 

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Re: Help with 5.0 220 horse on Lake Tahoe... engine RPM's and Speed?

Howdy,

Welcome aboard!

Well, you DO know that you will not get the same performance at 6000 MSL that you would get at Sea Level?

Also,

You need to be a little more specific on what you have. ..we don't need to know what model boat you have but the Make, model, serial numbers (Mercruiser uses serial numbers more specifically than year models) engine, drive(ratio) prop pitch, etc......will help immensely.



Also, 5500 RPM either indicates that your tach is faulty, you have the wrong drive, wrong prop, or your running an outboard and you're in the wrong forum!

Regards,


Rick


I disagree with the part highlighted in bold. Without the boat model you would have no idea he's pushing a 20.5 foot boat weigthing in at 3000 lbs dry weight.
Your top speed it very similar to our 20 foot boat with the same size engine, we can hit 35MPH @ 4700 RPM on a long run.
If your tach is reading correctly, 5500 rpm is too much, and you should increase prop pitch. We run 14.25x21p 3 blade.

There is no hard and fast rule of 4000RPM = X MPH, in my experiance. I would think for your engine should not exceed 5000. (MAX RPM is probably written on valve cover tags, or similar location).
 

theskyking

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Re: Help with 5.0 220 horse on Lake Tahoe... engine RPM's and Speed?

HT3 & Hunter,

Thanks so much for the responses. These are VERY helpful to help me start understanding my boat. I've learned a lot reading your responses, and they make total sense to me. I'm going to take the boat out again today with these things in mind. So I guess that my "top speed" and "cruising speed" should be determined more by RPMs than by MPH. Hunter, your boat sounds a lot like mine. Do you find it strange that you can only get to 35MPH when many YouTube videos, manuals, etc suggest our top speed should be 50MPH?

I have yet to take out a boat full of people so maybe I will appreciate the lower pitch prop when I need more torque to get up on plane.

Would everyone agree that the "best" cruising speed is that speed which is just slightly above what is required to plane? I've read that planing faster than necessary reduces fuel efficiency.

I guess ultimately it boils down to probably just having to learn to be happy with cruising around 21-24 MPH, and having my top speed be at around 28-29 MPH, at 6200 feet elevation. And possibly next time she's out of the water I'll put a slightly higher geared prop on to bring down the RPMs and squeeze a little more speed out of her.

My question is still, though: What's ideal cruising RPMS for my 5.0 220hp mercruiser V8? For some reason that's not in the manual.
 

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Re: Help with 5.0 220 horse on Lake Tahoe... engine RPM's and Speed?

My question is still, though: What's ideal cruising RPMS for my 5.0 220hp mercruiser V8? For some reason that's not in the manual.

What is the serial number of your engine? Without that, nothing but WAG's can be given. We don't know if it's carbed. TBI, MPI, or what version the engine is. Year of your boat may not be the year of your engine either.
Merc doesn't give a cruising speed, but they do give a Max WOT (wide open throttle) rpm in the manual.
 

HT32BSX115

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Re: Help with 5.0 220 horse on Lake Tahoe... engine RPM's and Speed?

I disagree with the part highlighted in bold. Without the boat model you would have no idea he's pushing a 20.5 foot boat weigthing in at 3000 lbs dry weight.

Well, you're ultimately right of course!


But he only gave us the boat!
Hi everyone, I'm running a bayliner 205, year 2005

But this is an I/O forum that deals mainly with engine and drive "problems".

Once we all determine exactly (Mercury serial number) what he has, knowing what the WOT RPM *should* be, then we can talk about how it should run in his 20ft boat... like what the drive ratio *should* be, prop pitch, trim use etc....


Once that happens, and we determine that his engine is running ok, it either becomes a "Prop forum" issue or other (trim technique, waterlogged/barnacles/dragging an anchor, boat-trailer, body :eek: etc) issue!!

In view of what TheHunter990 said, understand that you may have a somewhat UNDERPOWERED boat right out of the "chute"! a roughly 3000lb 20ft boat might be a tad anemic with 220hp 4 people and full fuel gear at Sea Level!

Now put it at 6200 MSL, increase the outside temp to about 90 degrees F and the DENSITY altitude will be between 9500 and 10000 ft.


You'll be lucky to get 50% of rated power in those conditions!

if you want to know more about density altitude, read the following (pg 10-3) . (Normally aspirated)Aircraft engines are a basically the same as marine engines in this area......
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...on/pilot_handbook/media/PHAK - Chapter 10.pdf




Assuming everything is running just fine,
Need a new prop geared for Tahoe? Or just high elevation blues?
Yes & Yes.
 

TheHunter990

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Re: Help with 5.0 220 horse on Lake Tahoe... engine RPM's and Speed?

Well, you're ultimately right of course!


But he only gave us the boat!

But this is an I/O forum that deals mainly with engine and drive "problems".

Sorry, hope I didn't offend, and I do agree, knowing all the engine details is also very important.

Do you find it strange that you can only get to 35MPH when many YouTube videos, manuals, etc suggest our top speed should be 50MPH?
No I didn't, always figured it was normal for our boat, since it is only a 5.0L. If and when this engine ever kicks the bucket, we will be putting in a 5.7L 300HP engine, as we do find it under powered.


How long have you had this boat? Have you been at other lower evelation lakes? Whats your performance on those lakes?
 

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Re: Help with 5.0 220 horse on Lake Tahoe... engine RPM's and Speed?

Lake Tahoe, elevation 6220 feet.

At about 4000 RPM's I'm only getting 25 mph. Max RPMs, or around 5500, I'm only getting 32MPH.

I've read some threads where people say their cruising RPMs at 25mph is around 3200.

One very important thing, what prop pitch are you running, even the prop part number will help figure out what the diameter and pitch is. It sounds like the boat is way under propped as the engine shouldn't be turning 5500rpm at WOT, it should be more like 4800rpm WOT.

Is that speed by GPS or by the boat's speedo. The tach could also be off as was earlier suggested.
 

theskyking

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Re: Help with 5.0 220 horse on Lake Tahoe... engine RPM's and Speed?

At ease, gentlemen. I figured out my speedometer is the problem. Got an iPhone app that acts as a GPS speedometer, tested the app in my wife's car and found it is exact dead on, and took it on boat. It turns out boat is actually going about 30mph when speedometer reads only 17MPH. So I think boat performance is normal. At 2800 RPM I can cruise at 25 MPH, which sounds like what it should be. Thanks for everyone's help.
 
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