Help with restoring a 1990 Wellcraft

Jason1104

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I am restoring a 1990 Wellcraft Sportsman 25 cuddie and need some help! I have already replaced the transom and once I started with the stringers i found the rot only continued up to the bow. I want to remove all the rot but I am unsure as to how to remove the bathroom, cabinets (if they need to be removed) etc... Can you guy help with your experience? Has anyone ever tackled such a project? I'm willing to do the work I just want it done right. Attached are my photos.
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Jason1104

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Re: Help with restoring a 1990 Wellcraft

Here are some additional pictures. Ive taken all my measurements and I'm in the process of removing the cabin area and stringers. I used the West System epoxy to replace my transom and I wanted to use the same to replace my stringers. I am going to be posting additional pictures along the way and I'm asking for tips and comments. Thanks for reading. image.jpg
 

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Be glad to assist. What specific questions do you have? Was there a particular reason you went with Epoxy as opposed to Polyester or Vinylester resin? What material are you going to use for your stringers? How thick are they? How tall are they? What Power plant do you have? What's the condition of your fuel tank? Hows the Plumbing and Electrical? What about Paint? Lot's of things to think about!!!:D


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Re: Help with restoring a 1990 Wellcraft

I have a 1979 Wellcraft V20 Steplift that I've been working on. Go to wellcraftv20.com for all the info that you will ever need.
 

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Re: Help with restoring a 1990 Wellcraft

Thanks for reading! I don't have many questions now just begging forimput as I go through the process. This is going to be a complete rebuild with plenty of bumps, sweat and blood along the way. I decided to use epoxy after reading the difference in the strength compared to polyester. My only issue is the cost of the epoxy, so if anyone has a cheaper resource I would appreciate the info. The stringers have a 3/4 inch core and the tallest stringers are 2' in height. I'm going to have to repower the boat because the I/O 5.7 merc with a bravo one was in terrible shape. The boat sat idle for more then six years. I'm thinking about putting a 383 with a bravo two or three. The fuel tank is plastic and looks like its in good shape. The plumbing and electrical have to be replaced, so the paint is a long way off.
Thanks again for all your comments!
 

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Well you can use Epoxy and it is stronger, but your boat is made from Poly and Poly would be more than strong enough to do the job. If you follow the advice and techniques that you will be given here on the forum, your boat will be better than when it came from the factory and last for decades. You can save a lot of money and time by using Poly. Epoxy takes many hours to fully cure and you do a lot of "Baby Sitting" when doing vertical layups with epoxy. With those talll stringers you will have a lot of vertical lay ups. If you want something a bit stronger you might consider using Vinylester. It's kinda like 1/2 Epoxy 1/2 poly. Research it and see what you think. It cost more than Poly but less than epoxy.
 

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Ok thanks! I will read up on the the vinylester... I have already used the expoxy on the transom so if I switch, will it be difficult to tie the stringers into the transom? I've read the epoxy ties in with polyester and not the other way around. Thanks again!
 

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Re: Help with restoring a 1990 Wellcraft

Jason,

My father has a sportsman like yours that has been in the family for 15 years. We have never torn it apart as far as yours but have some experience fixing things over the years. As far as your question "how to remove the bathroom, cabinets (if they need to be removed) etc... Can you guy help with your experience?", I guess i will answer your question with a question, are you talking about the forward wall of the bathroom and the shelf that runs down the outside and aft wall of the bathroom, or are you talking about removing the whole fiberglass liner for the cabin area? I suspect you are talking about the later, which I cannot help with but I have removed the forward bulkhead that makes up the forward wall of the bathroom (head) and the shelf that runs down the outboard and aft sides of the head before. If that is the case, to remove the shelf you need to remove screws that are hidden by the cushion screwed to the forward side of that bulkhead, it unscrews by reaching a philips head screwdriver through the seams of the upholstry, once this is removed you can get to all of the screws that hold the forward end for the shelf and cabinet assembly, the rest of the screws are behind the little sliding doors below the shelf. Given the scope of your project you are probably talking about removing the forward liner and I have provided little to no help.

Have you run the boat before? Dad's is an 89' and has the 260 merc i/o with a first gen alpha 1. I think a 383 would be a smart choice, as it would benifit from a little more power than a standard small block but a big block would be stern heavy. I say this because the scuppers are barely above the waterline when you are fully fueled up and have a couple guys in the back of the cockpit, so if I were in your shoes I would avoid placing any additional weight back there. Ours had plastic through hulls for the scuppers which we replaced with brass, I would recommend that or stainless when you are putting it back together.

Overall it is a nice boat that feels secure if you find youself in some rough weather. We run it on the Chesapeake bay. I would not take it out intentionally into heavy weather but I am confident that it would get me back safely in about anything the bay can throw at it. It can be a wet ride in certain conditions and it's narrow beam and raised helm area makes the boat roll pretty good at rest in a beam sea. I have heard some real boat snob types be very critical on the hull, but these are the type of people that are only satisfied with classic offshore or real high end new boats. For the price you can find these boats I think they offer alot of capability.

Ours lives in a wet slip and the transom and stinger seem to be holding up. We had to rebuild one motor mount and adjacent stringer but overall it is sound. One day soon it will probably be time to consider a rebuild but I'm afraid the old girl isn't worth the investment.

One last note, the original wiring was cheap non-tinned wire that was starting to fail and I rewired most of the auxilary circuits to solve problem.

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Re: Help with restoring a 1990 Wellcraft

Ok thanks! I will read up on the the vinylester... I have already used the expoxy on the transom so if I switch, will it be difficult to tie the stringers into the transom? I've read the epoxy ties in with polyester and not the other way around. Thanks again!


You could run the stringers back to the transom, glassing them in polyester or vinylester and then after it is all cured tie them into the transom using epoxy.
 

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I have a 1990 Sportsman 250, it was a Barn find, she had been sitting for 12 +yrs, purchased the boat with twin Yamaha 115's. the boat only had 350 hrs on it. I have owned it for 2 years.....Regarding the Poly fuel tank......Because the boat sat for so long, the tank although in great physical condition, had varnish on the inside, now that I am running her, the ethanol fuel is literally cleaning the inside of the tank, I have to constantly replace filters and re-built carbs, very frustrating and concerning ( I wont go that far out with here) and keep ample filters on board I was going to take on the task of replacing the fuel tank this winter, although it appears the stepped portion of the helm floor needs to be removed to do so, it has 132 gallon tank. Or I have to cut the bulkhead that is behind the fuel tank and re-glass it after the new install? Any suggestions?

I would strongly recommend replacing the tank with an aluminum tank, especially considering all the work you are putting into it.

Big definite on the post regarding the through hulls, some people even plug the through hull on the Starboard aft side of the boat its literally under water when my boat is fully fueled and loaded.
 

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Jason1104

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not sure why the text did not save... here she is! I have replaced the transom and removed the top cap, and cuddie area (plan on rebuilding it) I have changed my mind on the I/O and decided to go with two Suzuki 150 outboards and then use a bracket for the motors. I have chosen a bracket that will provide a swim platform, help with buoyancy and will help sealing in the keyhole. I plan to thicken the transom to 2.25 " thick and then plug the hole and then fiber glass it. Does anyone have any suggestions? or comments? need all the help I can get guys!!
Thanks Jason.
 

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I've read a lot of threads here on this forum and on others about converting I/O's to Outboards by adding the transom Pods/Brackets. My research leads me to believe that the majority of these conversions are less than satisfactory in the end. Performance and handling seem to be the biggest issues. I am NOT speaking from experience, just from what I've read. You might want to do some "googling" on the subject to make your own conclusions.
 

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Thanks for the reference material zool, please keep the comments coming, I'm still cutting the stringers out and will follow up with pictures this weekend.
 

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Here is my latest progress... Will be sanding and grinding today and tomorrow, and repairing some holes in the hull. I will post another picture in a few days. Hopefully the weather will be kind to me!
 

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Does anyone know how to make hatches when laying new floors? I'm still configuring my stringers and I'm thinking ahead.
 
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