Here is my pocket cruiser project idea in photo

Mark42

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So you folks have seen my posts about 17 - 19 foot cuddy cabins for a project. Well, I found this 1987 Sea Ray 19ft Cuddy and photo shopped it to show what I was thinking about: A pocket cruiser that is great for a family with kids and perfect for day trips. Enclosed cockpit and cabin to protect us from the sun and wind on long cruises (and Grandma will really like that!) .

Raised the roof over the cuddy cabin, probably add a small removable table to the v birth. It will give seating with a view. Then the helm moves back a foot or so and the cockpit is enclosed with walls and roof that will allow for standing room (say 6' max) and seating for 3. Will keep the original port-a-pottie location in the v-berth, add a small section of counter top with 10" sink in the cuddy area with pressurized water and ice box underneath. Just for a few drinks and cold sandwiches.

Note the cockpit door is raised off the floor about 6 inches or so so the cockpit can be sealed water tight for over night mooring and not worry about rain or needing a cover.

Not the best photoshop ever, but it should give you an idea of what I'm thinking. Should probably have larger side windows and more windows facing rear.

PocketCruiser.jpg


The construction plan is to remove the top of the cuddy, and the two bulkheads in front of the seats. Then new bulkheads are built about 18 or 20 inches farther back. The new bulkheads will not extend into the cabin more than a foot or so, tying into the cuddy roof in front of the cockpit windshield, transferring stress across the cuddy roof to the other side of the boat. Construction would be light weight foam pannels covered in glass with wood reinforcement where necessary. The entire new cabin and cockpit could be build as one unit then epoxied and fastened to the boat, IE "unit" style construction. One captians seat on post and one high bench seat with storage underneath on the passenger side. The original lounge seats are history.

On the outside, a 30" high or so bow rail plus some grab rails on the roofs will make it easier to drop and set anchor.

Anyone ever done a remodel like this?

Any comments you have are very welcome.


 

tommays

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Re: Here is my pocket cruiser project idea in photo

I would worry about it being stable as my 19' cuddy gets a bit dicey in the rough stuff without the extra weight that high


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Mark, I had an '88 SeaRay19' Sorrento for some years. It was a bowrider/IO version with a 4.3LX V6, but very similar to the boat you are contemplating. From experience I know the boat was butt heavy, which is convenient, since you want to add weight to the bow area. I recommend you keep the weigh down, as much as possible, since that boat was pretty heavy stock. The V6 should have plenty of power, as mine would run 40+ MPH with a 21" Rapture Prop. You will likely find that the cockpit will be very cramped, after your modifications. It would be better if you converted the outboard model, since the motor box took up some space in the cockpit.
Also, watch for rotted stringers. I have heard that they are a problem in those models, but have no personal experience with that issue. I did have a problem with the keel under the ski well floor, which rotter out, causing the hull to collapse when I blocked the hull up. i also had to replace the plywood floor due to rot.
 

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Tommays, I hear your consern about high weight. I'm really going to try to use glass encapsulated rigid foam for the roof, sides and back of the cockpit. Maybe even plexy for all glass areas. And I'll stay away from the rough water!!! I'll only go to Montaulk on a nice day...

Chris, I see Bayliner made outboard powerd cuddy's for years in that size, so they are very plentiful. But some of those splashwells are still large, but might afford another foot of floor space over the i/o. BTW, Sea Ray lists the boat as weighing 2060lbs. I thought that was light, but don't know. Is it?

I figure wind resistance will cut speed and fuel economy too. But maybe not as much as I initially thought because it won't be going more than 35 or 40 tops. I would be happy with a top speed of 35.
 

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Mark, My Sorrento was listed at 2600LBS with the motor/outdrive, however, if you look up the weight of the V6 and outdrive, it is listed at 1100LBS. Clearly the boat itself weighs more than 1500LBS, so someone is lying!

I think SeaRay also made Outboard versions of those boats, but I do not know if they were popular. They have all the info on those on the SeaRay website.
 

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Chris, thanks for that "heads up". It seems that a lot of factory listed weights are well below the delivered weight.

The problem I am facing right now is DOLLARS. I need to refinish the family room (and it really does need it) and between new flooring and built in book cases, etc that will run about $8000 in parts (I do the labor).

The boat will run between $500 and $5000 dependin on the condition of hull and motor. Plus another 5 to 12 k depending on power options.

So I need to do some negotiation. I continue to search and if I find the perfect boat I will snatch it up.

The up side is I have a boat to use, and it will easilly carry me throgh the next project boat.

 

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Ya know, if some smart boat builder like Sea Ray or Maxim or Bayliner would build a boat like this they woule have all the buisness of people who bought them in the 60's and 70's

What the heck happened in the 80's 90's and 00's that no boat builder makes a "pocket cruiser" or aka "day cruiser" anymore ?

Does NOT anyone do a cruise with the whole family anymore?

Don't people have a need to change diapers or warm bottles or nurse out of the wind and sun anymore?

What about young kids and pottie training?

What about young and old folks who have a need for a normal toilet? ? ? ? ?


We are left out in the cold to build our own? ? ? ?

 

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Re: Here is my pocket cruiser project idea in photo

Mark, I feel your frustration, The boat manufacturers all seem to make a CC, a walkaround and a cruiser. I guess that is what is popular, or their all stupid.

I finally found a boat that I think is perfect for me. It took many-many years to find however.d:)
 

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i had a 19 seray and would go to jefferies banks with it i added a 80 gal tank under deck dead center as it had a 28 rear tank just doing that made it ride like a dream thinking weight in center of boat as ballast till you get close to home as far as the hose foam core and 2 layers glass would be a nice idea as for the weight issue goes but you will be cramped in there and have no deck space to boot unless you remove the rear seats and close them off flush and remake your engine box but the isue is weight in the center of the boat that house is a big sail and even using foam core its heavy n high right wind right wave... could be bad
 

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Re: Here is my pocket cruiser project idea in photo

Mark42 said:
Ya know, if some smart boat builder like Sea Ray or Maxim or Bayliner would build a boat like this they woule have all the buisness of people who bought them in the 60's and 70's

What the heck happened in the 80's 90's and 00's that no boat builder makes a "pocket cruiser" or aka "day cruiser" anymore ?

Does NOT anyone do a cruise with the whole family anymore?

Don't people have a need to change diapers or warm bottles or nurse out of the wind and sun anymore?

What about young kids and pottie training?

What about young and old folks who have a need for a normal toilet? ? ? ? ?


We are left out in the cold to build our own? ? ? ?


Sounds to me like you just need a bigger boat. Those features are pretty standard on 27 ft & up cruisers.

No sense in trying to stuff a motor home inside a Hyundai, know what I mean?
 
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Even with lightweight materials, you are adding allot of weight in the area of the boat where the beam may not be able to support it. I would suspect the boat may "plow" allot and be a wallowing pig in a beam sea.

You can do allot with custom canvas on a bowrider. Closing off the bow (now becomes v-berth) and "camper" canvas for the cockpit makes it a cruiser. Plus, you have the convenience of a bowrider when the sun is shining.
 

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Re: Here is my pocket cruiser project idea in photo

Maybe a used C-Dory would fit the bill.

www.c-dory.com

I have been comtemplating a similar project to what you propose, but can't seem to find the time to finish my current project.

A C-Dory seems to fit what I would like to do pretty well.
 

Mark42

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I have looked at larger boats. Infact I spent a lot of time on a Bayliner cabin cruiser at a boat show this past summer.

The problem is bigger boats mean bigger trailer, and bigger vehicles to tow them. In fact, the price I got on a new Bayliner 245 was less than the price of a new SUV to tow it. And then a 24ft or lager boat has higher operating expenses, and I can't just drop it in the water for a day and pull it out if I wanted to. Just too darn big for one guy.

I plan on getting a mooring near my parents house (and now my sister just bought a house a few blocks away from them). So leaving the boat tied for up to two weeks at a time is probably what I will do with my next boat.

But I still want something I can easily launch and retrieve by myself.

That C-Dory is very interesting. Will have to look into the 19 footer more. Thanks for the link.
 

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I really gave this some thought because I like impossible puzzles which is pretty much what you have trying to find all that in a light boat, then I realized that the only boat in existance that I know of that can do everything you want and still be towed by a straight 6 jeep cherokee without trailer brakes is the boat I have.

http://www.shareaproject.com/pages/projectTut,p,160,00.html

Good luck finding another though, despite the fact that I have seen a few for sale from time to time, most have been recycled for the 1100 pounds of aluminum and the few that are left are fixed up and never for sale.

It has two 6 foot bunks and used to have a pop up table that formed a center bunk making it a queen size bed when down or a table with 2 benches when up, interior cabin height is 6'0" exactly, it has a kitchen and a bathroom the size of an outdoor porta potty outhouse.

Total weight with people gear and gas (36 gallons) is somewhere under 2500 lbs (possibly under 2000), does 35 mph with a 1984 90 hp johnson v4 outboard. This arrangement makes for an economical 25 mph at about 4000 rpms which is pretty good on fuel.

With the nice super tall load guides I can load it by myself in the dark with little fuss, and I always entertain the people at the landing by putting it on a little crooked and then pulling it into the parking lot and just shoving the back end over by hand on the bunks until its straight (yes its that light).

Unfortunately by even the mid 60's the later versions of these boats had the worthless squashed cuddy cabins that were like the back of a pickup with a topper.

There is one other boat I saw once that might work, crestliner built an odd series of aluminum 20ish foot cuddy like cruisers that might work for you, heavier than mine by far because of all the worthless interior crap but they came in outboard or I/O and I rode in one once and was reasonable pleased with it. The one I saw was mid to late 80's I think and said Nordic on it, I think it was a seamless no rivit aluminum hull like some of the smaller fishing boats they make.

Fiberglass makes for a very heavy boat, wood and carpet interiors weight alot and will rot and mold, consider diamond plate aluminum floors with snap in quick drying boat carpet (what mine has). If your requiring fiberglass because of salt water issues or something just give up and buy and old sturdy truck for towing, its about the only way itll work.
 

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Hmmmmm--- A-L-U-M-I-N-U-M


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Dozens of them over here Mark - sorry its so far.

http://www.skibsplast.no/ Click on "tidligere modeller" aka previous models for inspiration.
 

Mark42

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G Dane, thanks for the link. Great reading (click the little Brittish flag for english version).

Ya gotta admit, the Norwegians know how to design and build a boat. I am very envious that you have builders who still make cabin style cruisers. Bet they are pricy though. Even the smaller cabin cruiser has a single burner and pressurized water. Neat stuff!
 

84CJ7

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Just figured id mention 2 cruise liners (like mine) recently surfaced for sale which is uncommon.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lonestarboat/messages
(need to join that yahoo message group quick to view)

One is in a reply to a topic of someone looking for a boat with fins in teh above link and is in texas, the other is here:
http://desmoines.craigslist.org/boa/260076517.html
and is in iowa.

Both are being sold for basically scrap value I think which is where they will end up if not sold, I hate that thought, its such a customizeable platform and gets looks everywhere you go. Everybody likes mine it seems.

So save one already.
 

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So why would you need a "new" SUV to tow a larger boat. With gas prices the way they are, the lots are full of used Suburbans, Excursions, etc., that if properly equipped will do the job. As for gaining room, a jackplate would allow some engine setback on an outboard hull. You could then modify the splashwell space to pick up some room. As for potty space, check what's been done on pontoons. They have a pop up privacy deal that seems to work well for those owners.
 
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