Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebuild

[Racingman24]

Well, I finally started tearing it down today. Didn't get that far but that wasn't the point, to get this all done in one day. Today was a simple day, just a few hours, tear into some stuff but evaluate more.

So, without further ado... [O, and there will be questions at the end, so answer them too! ]

First, just some over all shots of the boat...some with my ugly mug in them.

Most uncomfortable seats EVER!

Trying to decide what to do next...

 

[Racingman24]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

And at the end of the day...

....That can't be good.

Hmmm...wonder how rotten the transom is? The screwdriver went in with the push of one finger. Ouch.

Ok, so now for the questions...

Since I'm about 95% sure this boat will not be going back together with the livewell in it, how do I properly plug up the holes that are there for the inlet, drain and overflow? They aren't exactly small holes. Take a looks

I've read of using wooden dowels...but that doesn't seem all the good of an idea, but maybe it's the right way.

 

[Racingman24]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

More questions, Since I should have more than enough 1.5oz mat, would it be ok to rock 2 layers of 1.5oz mat on both sides of the transom? Or do I really need heavy roven woving? I'm "attempting" to do this on a budget, and ordering more fiberglass would add more monies.

And another thing about the transom...How much thickness does the fiberglass add? As in, I'll need to make the solid wood part "this" much thinner than the original to compensate for the fiberglass...that make any sense?

Ok, one more question about the whole fiberglassing side of things...2..3..10 gallons of resin for an old tinny like this? I plan on doing a skim coat on top and bottom of deck, than 1.5oz mat. Skim coat the transom, and 2 layers of 1.5oz mat.

Any other tips/tricks for the overall process of doing this?

And I'm soooo gonna punch in the face the guy that thought it would be a good idea to put the splashwell in, THEN put the pour in foam in the rear most compartments. Stupid stupid stupid.

O, I guess one other thing...what's the best way to drill out bucking rivets? Just like normal ones? Go after them with a drill, then hammer them out?

I think that's about it for now...

Ok ok ok, one more pic of my ugly mug doing just the best pose ever for the camera.

 

[Racingman24]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

O yea....one more question!

How do I get the drains from the splashwell out????

 

[ezmobee]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

O yea....one more question!

How do I get the drains from the splashwell out????

Big screwdriver, pliers, possibly hammer. Mutilate 'em till they come out.

Nice boat. I don't think I'd go to all the trouble with the fiberglass for the transom. I'd get some marine plywood (ideal) or good exterior ply and seal it with epoxy resin. Done.

I don't have any experience filling holes that large but....for ones that are currently drilled through the transom, you obviously won't be re-drilling them through your new wood. I'd take a piece of aluminum and JB Weld it inside before sliding in your new transom wood. Then a coat of JB on the outside to smooth it out. For holes that currently aren't through the wood, I might do the same thing or perhaps ad a couple rivets to the patch.

 

[Racingman24]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

alright, well then I guess I'll just beat the **** outta them until they are out. Fair enough.

But then what goes back in there?

And I will be fiberglassing the Transom because I really....REALLY don't want to have to do this ever again on this boat while I own it. Right now this is my only boat, so I don't want it down multiple times. If I get a project boat someday, then sure, I'll do it again.

 

[timfives]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

alright, well then I guess I'll just beat the **** outta them until they are out. Fair enough.

But then what goes back in there?

And I will be fiberglassing the Transom because I really....REALLY don't want to have to do this ever again on this boat while I own it. Right now this is my only boat, so I don't want it down multiple times. If I get a project boat someday, then sure, I'll do it again.

Great boat there. Regarding the transom, I'm in the process of epoxying mine. Like yourself, i was prepared to glass the whole damn thing. However after seeing how the wood and epoxy bond so well, there is no need. The epoxy creates one heck of a barrier.

Check out my rebuild I got a bunch of pics of my transom.

But by all means i'm all about overbuilding and such so just post some pictures of the glasses transom!

Good luck and if your hull fitting aren't coming out get a bigger hammer.

t

 

[Huron Angler]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

Nice looking rig there RM The restoration section here is full of tin can boat rebuild so I'd recommend checking out a few. These are easy to work on compared to 'glass rigs.

Good luck on your project!

 

[tmcalavy]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

Sounds like you're shooting for a refit. Pull the rear aluminum caps off each stern cover, get the splashwell out...floor, too, if you plan on a new deck...then's it's easy, peasy, lemon-squeezy to put in a new transom and deck. Then you get to layout the controls, seats, accessories, etc. to suit you. Lots of threads here will step you through the process...right up through final paint...plan your time well and you can have it done in no time. You will probably need some tools, too...but tools is toys, right?

 

[fishrdan]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

The live well through hull fittings have a big nut on the back side, so you might be able to get int here and spin the nut off,,, maybe not. I didn't have a socket big enough (something like 1 3/8") and channel locks wouldn't fit, so I took my die grinder and a 1/2" carbide bit and started grinding away inside the fitting from the outside of the boat, once you hit aluminum stop and the fitting will pop right off. Anything that will chew up the inside of the fitting and grind it away will work, maybe a round file or rasp?

I don't think there is a real good way to seal up those holes, but I'd probably rivet patch of aluminum over the holes, sealed up with 3M 5200. Patch extending 1" past the hole and aluminum scuffed up really good so the 5200 has something to bite onto. Maybe patch it inside and out so it looks good from the outside and has a double seal on it?

 

[fishrdan]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

On the bucked rivets, yeah, just drill them out. Use a bit bigger than the shank size of the rivet and the head will pop off once you get to the boat's skin, just have to drill straight...

 

[Huron Angler]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

just have to drill straight...

Ain't that the truth...I recently had an episode with me not drilling straight when replacing rivets and my advice is...DRILL STRAIGHT

Good advice and I agree that replacing the transom is a weekend job after you get the wood epoxied.

Good luck with the rebuild

 

[Racingman24]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

Damn, took a while to get more progress on this thing. I guess that's what happens when life gets in the way...that and the owner of the garage where you're storing it turns into a Mega-Douche.

Anyway.

I've relocated the boat to closer to my home, so it's easier to get out there and work on it more. So I should be able to post more frequent updates.

So as to not keep you all waiting.... here is Day 2 of The Teardown:

Just getting rolling on the day. As you can see by the lack of junk laying around the boat itself. Assessing the situation, and removing foam will be the next 39 hours of my life. ugh.

The first positive for the day, splashwell is out....and it was much needed after I realized how much foam I was going to have to cut out.

Not too bad condition, just needs to be cleaned...and maybe a hole or two filled.

I really don't like foam at this point...

but at least half of it is out on one side...

But damnit the other side is still full!!! I hate my life at this point.

 

[Racingman24]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

Sooo, I took a little aggression out with a hammer on the splashwell drains. I felt better....until...

Ick. And to think, I was flying around on the water like this for the past 3 years. Now granted my Grandfather had a stopgap put in, like a giant piece of plate steel, and a looong piece of angle iron that just about spanned the entire width of the boat, but still...not cool. At least due to Alumacrafts design, I was able to pull the transom out with the aluminum cavity so the wood held together, though it really, REALLY did not want to.

Gonna need a good cleaning. Damnit! I still see foam.

Sooo, at the end of the day, I was left with...

Two empty Foam Compartments...

A Splashwell, transom and transom bracing out...

And 2 Giant bags of worthless foam.

 

[Racingman24]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

Thoughts and Observations...
1.
At first, I would occasionally say, "Damnit Grandpa" when I saw something foolish that he did....Then I saw what Alumacraft did from the factory and pretty much all was forgiven. Apparently the engineers thought it would be a good idea to assemble a boat like this...Floor, Transom, all metal brackets for foam compartments, Splashwell that is screwed to the transom the entire width of the boat....THEN lets foam the compartments and cover the screws. I was uttering many curse words.

2.
I hate Foam. Let me rephrase that...I DETEST foam, and if I ever have any friends that are crazy enough to get a bug up their rear and decide to rebuild a boat like this, and they re-install 2 part pour foam, I will personally beat them with like I'm a fat kid and they stole my cake. I will punch them if they even consider it.

3.
All in all, it's actually coming apart a bit easier that I thought it was going to. Now the biggest challenges that remain are building the casting deck up front, and relocating the livewell up there if I decide to keep it.


Questions
1.
Where is the cheapest place to buy Gulvit? I'm guessing online, but which place?

2.
Should I chemically strip the paint on the boat, or should I take the time and wire wheel it? It's all coming off so I have a clean, fresh surface to start from.

3.
Is there a place I can get 3M's 5200[?] locally? Or is that something needs to come offline as well?

4.
What is a good product to plug holes in the side of the hull? Apparently my Grandpa liked drilling random holes in the side of the boat...some still have screws in that nothing is attached too...I dunno. Maybe he thought it would make the boat go faster, speed holes ya know?

I think that's about it for now, the floor is actually completely out of the boat right now, but I don't have time to re size and post all those pics tonight, should be tomorrow.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

1. Right here on iboats looks to have a good price. The quart size will be plenty for your needs.

2. Strip it. No question.

3. iboats has that as well. I have occaisionally seen it at Home Depot in the caulking gun size tubes but they did not have it last week when I needed it so I ordered it. Again iboats has it.

4. JB Weld. There's a JB Weld Marine as well. I used that and cut little squares of aluminum flashing as a backer.

 

[restornator]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

that worthless foam will save your *** one day. You're not meeting Coast Guard requirements by leaving it out

 

[Racingman24]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

that worthless foam will save your *** one day. You're not meeting Coast Guard requirements by leaving it out

Don't get me wrong, I'll be putting foam back in, just not two 2 part pour in crap. It might be for some people, but the mess, headache, and pain that it caused me, I would rather do the pink sheet foam.

So I'll be using the pink Polystyrene Foam. Got lots of it in my basement just waiting to go in the boat. So I'll still be floatin' if I'm sinkin'.

 

[erikpn]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

iboats is not the cheapest place to buy gluvit. JMS sells gluvit for 35 bucks a quart. http://www.jmsonline.net/tra-rm330k.htm?source=googleps

I printed it out and got a local West Marine to price match them, since their website says their stores will price match online retailers as well. I got it without having to pay shipping and no waiting for under 40 bucks.

5200 is sold at all boat stores, the local home depot sells it too. It's not a high dollar item so I wouldn't order it online and deal with waiting/shipping.

 

[Racingman24]

Re: Here we go, diving in, hope there's water in the pool... Just Another Tinny Rebui

Finally had some time to sit down and do another update. Going out again tomorrow to hopefully get a lot more done...we'll see about that though.

So lets get goin' here!

First pics from the day were the two side foam compartments and livewell out.

I was sooo happy to finally get all the foam out of there, but there was still more waiting for me in the bench up front.

Even so, I didn't waste much time, got right down to it, and here is the result, no console, and no bench...and just about no foam.

And the remainder of the last things to get pulled out of the boat...