Here we go - have at it.

Barlow

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Hi again everyone. It's been too long since I've last posted here and I've got something that needs some educated opinions. <br /><br />-Here we go...<br /><br />I saw this '87 Sylvan (length @ 20'+/- ??)driving home from dinner yesterday along side the road at a farm. # SYL31274E87 any clue on the model/length??<br />
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<br /><br />The boat supposedly runs and holds water but that's the farmer talking and not the horses mouth. Floor and carpeting need total redo -entirely-. Paint was a poor once over can job. Missing a transom/gun wale corner. A few other odds and ends.<br /> I couldn't walk away from it and it's been bugging me all day so I turn to the place that's helped me out in the past. The guy wants $1,500.00 for what's in the pictures. What I plan on doing is dressing her up a bit for the lake:<br />-Paint (sandblast the exterior...?? rivet inspection!!)<br />-new ply floor and carpet<br />-3-4 pedestal seats and existing live well<br />-rigging for trolling (in addition of a kicker I already own)<br /> I sold my Michigan rig last summer due to moving 3hrs away from the big pond. I miss having my own rig and think this might be something for next season to tow easier(and give me a winters worth of busy weekends!!).<br /><br />Everyone - I need some thoughts, good and bad. I've seached through the catacombs here and have seen many well done projects and am entertaining ANY comments. Thank-you all for the past knowledge you've shared to this point. -Barlow-
 

sundog

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Re: Here we go - have at it.

if the engine runs, its probably worth about $1500 on its own. It (the engine) looks in pretty good shape, and thats a lot of engine for that size/weight boat. Id see if it floats/runs, then offer the guy $1000, and see if he bites.
 

Barlow

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thnx sundog!! .... so far that's been my main concern. I have yet to hear back from the owner ... I'm on the phone as I sit here. thank you ...feel free with any other thoughts sundog.<br />thank you!
 

Winger Ed.

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Grab it.<br /><br />If that engine runs, its worth over $2,000 by itself without controls, without that Stainless Prop that cost somebody a few hundred dollars, or somebody to help lift it into a truck. <br /><br />If you can build it yourself, you'd have a tough time buying the materials and fabricate that trailer for $1500.<br /><br />Plus, it looks like a heck of a boat.<br /><br />If you strip the finish off it, try a fairly soft wire brush on a angle grinder. Sandblasting will pebble grain/pit the Aluminum, and using a powerful enough stripper is not only dangerous, a unholy mess, but it also doesn't work very well for the hassle and expense of it.
 

richstick

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Hey Barlow, if you decide not to jump on it, can you tell me where it's at? I'll go buy that rig right now for $1500. That would make a killer walleye boat. Could probably even take it to Sheboygan or Milwaukee harbor for salmon and lakers. Plus, you get to redo the interior and make it what you want.
 

Catchem

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Barlow,at that price your stealing it from the guy.Grab it before someone else does.Nice lines and definately looks like an easy hauler.
 

Barlow

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*SOLD!!* I just got off the phone - $1,500.00 ... was asking $2,000 - offered $1,200 - said he couldn't go below $1,500 and I bit like an angry Alligator. It's 21' said the motor was gone through and re-built 2 seasons ago and that the hull does leak a little (I almost counted on hearing on that) but, all electrical works except the builge has a bad switch. Guages, trim/tilt, steering, control assembly and, the live well are all in working order. I take it out to verify the sale on Saturday morning but he counts it as sold. Seller says, "Once you let'er eat she'll pop outa the hole and get you smiling. It won't take much. That 200 sings pretty good.".<br /><br />Thnx Winger Ed. I appreciate the information, advice and reassurance! I've got a few wire brushs for my angle grinder already but they might be to tough. Have them for cleaning up steel. Any suggestions on the "fairly soft" brushes?? I'm going to be needing a bit of leadership from all of you dealing with this in months to come. I appreciate it ...and look for future pics of the work. -Barlow-
 

Barlow

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richstick - Where are you in WI? I think it's going to be an awesome boat. I see great potential but, needed a kick in the pants I think. <br /><br />catchem - thank you too for the vote of confidence!! I think I'm going to like doing this... feels like I'm starting off right but that could change quick as soon as the work starts :D . I look at it as a 'labor of love'... and yes I'm starting to feel a little dirty about the price we agreed on but I'm sure that will fade!
 

Winger Ed.

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Originally posted by Barlow:<br /> Any suggestions on the "fairly soft" brushes??
I'm happy for ya. I really like those Aluminum hulls. They weigh a fraction of what the same size one does in fiberglass-- which means you need a bigger engine and more fuel for a boat that gets less mileage to go as fast & far.<br /><br />My 1968 21' day cruiser with the 4cyl Chevy 120 horse Mercruiser I/O gets up around 28-30mph, and runs around all day on 3/4ths of a 16 gallon tank of gas. It trailers like a dream, and looks like it sits on top of the water like a styrofoam cup.<br /><br />Unlike a fiberglass hull, they respond well to being fixed with a big hammer without making you itch in the process. <br /><br />To find where it leaks, fill it with water. If its a seam line where things go together, stuff the line with JB weld or a real good grade of calk from the outside. Then clean off everything you can before it sets. Water pressure will try to drive your repair material deeper in, rather than try to pull it out. I've done that on mine, and have a bilge that is dry and dusty after being on the water for 2-3 days. <br /><br />When I stripped my 2nd cruiser, I'd learned that the heavy wire brushes will shave off the tops of rivets and dig arc shaped gouges in the skin. So I got the disk shaped ones from Home Depot the next time around. They shed their bristles pretty fast, so you'll need to wear gloves and pretty stout cloths, plus eye protection. <br /><br />From the rub-rail down on the 21'er, it took me about 12-15 of the cheapie wire wheels. But, the rivets weren't damaged, and it took every molecule of the old paint off without gouging the skin leaving a perfect surface to acid wash, prime & paint.<br /><br />Good luck with your project. I think you'll have a boat that you'll be very happy with and won't outgrow.<br /><br /><br />Something else that would be a good possible project if ya ever re-do it is to build the transom straight all the way across.<br /><br />That would let ya have a extra few feet of cockpit by eliminating the 'well' on the back end.<br /><br />To hang the motor, put one of those stripped down and basic, hundred-odd dollar jack plates on it to keep the engine in the right place. Your engine's setback would only be 6 inches, the original control & steering cables might still work.<br /><br /><br />Ed.
 

richstick

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Barlow, I'm up in Minocqua - about an hour north of Wausau. Congrats on the new rig! Yeah, you are in for a little work, but think of how awesome it will be when you are done with it. Where are you at???
 

Barlow

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Thnx again Ed! I just got off the phone with him again due to him being busy at work last night (second shift foreman at a foundry). He's the ORIGINAL OWNER!! So I got the entire history of the boat!! <br /> Feel like I got kicked by a Clydesdale and have one of the shoes hung up in my pants! Says it'll turn 55-60mph GPS depending on load. The hull, already .100ga, was reinforced by the factory with added .08 aluminum for big water accounting for four extra rows of rivets per side. He stated that he doesn't know where the leaks are and that it'll take-on just under a gallon per hour(??). Boat is 1,100lbs., motor is 440lbs., trailer is a 4400lb. Shorelander. All circa '87. motor had power head replaced 6yrs ago by Merc/Mariner factory service dept. and was went through and touched-up 2yrs ago. New steering cable this past spring and if he can find it in his garage/basement is going to throw in a flasher unit until I up-grade/re-build...WOW!<br /> I'm on my way to H.Depot after work to pick up some supplies while I wait for this weekend.<br />-Ed, are you refering to the 'cup' type brushes or the 'disc' type? Average cost?? so I have a better idea of what I'm looking for. I had to chuckle about the JB weld! I must've bought and used 4 tubes of it on my old 14' alumacraft jon boat and have gotten pretty good at mixing/applying/feathering so that experience is going to come in real handy on this one thanks again!!<br /><br />richstick I am in the madison are
 

Barlow

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richstick - pardon cutting that last post short. I'm E of Madison 15min. and north of I-94 in Marshall. I'm pretty familiar with your neck of the woods but, more so south around Hazelhurst to Harshaw and over to the Willow Resevoir. Use to deer hunt out by Jerry Laox's place off of Rocky Run Rd. Small world!! anywho - yea ... I'm glad things happened like this -obviously- but I've got some time, money and hopefully not too much blood to put into her yet!! I'm itchin' for Saturday! Thnx again.<br /><br />ecblanks - thanks! I guess the model name is 'Rod Master'. The previous owner had nothing but good things to say about the preformance of it. He owns that Welcraft 23' c/c in the back ground of pic.1 and just bought a new Skeeter ZX2050 tourney rig. as a retirement boat.
 

Catchem

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Good for you Barlow.I just know your gonna get that old girl back in shape,and your gonna luv working on it to boot.Now just slow down,catch your breath,and breathe.LoL.Hell I'm almost excited as you,don't forget to take before and after pic's and post also.Geeze loouise,you think I was the one who bought the boat.Hey,Barlow enjoy,and have fun.Congrats.
 

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That is exactly the sort of boat I am looking for, maybe not quite as large. Good score...
 

Winger Ed.

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Originally posted by Barlow:<br /> are you refering to the 'cup' type brushes or the 'disc' type? Average cost??
4400 pounds for the trailer? <br />Naw,,,,, no way.<br /><br />that's probably its gross load carrying capacity. (it and the max. load it can carry-- which means it'll handel a 5,000 load without any problems) <br /><br />The trailer itself probably doesn't weigh more than about 1,000 pounds by itself--- probably closer to 800.<br /><br />If you pulled that whole rig onto the scales, and unhitched it from your truck,,, it shouldn't weigh over 3,000 pounds with full fuel tanks, batteries, towels, life jackets and a ice chest full of beer. <br /><br />BEER!!?? No, no,,,I didn't mean that.<br />It should read, 'A ice chest full of soda pop along with a gallon of milk'.<br /><br /><br />That trailer was mass produced. It will also carry the same size of fiberglass hull-- possibly with a car engine--- which they sell more of. But, its cheaper for the dealer to buy it like it is than specify a lighter/weaker one for the few Aluminum hull boats they sell new. <br /><br />/////////////////////////<br /><br />On your grinder discs-<br /><br />The cup ones are OK for flat pannels, the disc shped ones get around the rivets better for a cleaner, crisper job. I'd Just stay away from the real coarse ones that are meant to clean the welds on a Interstate hi-way bridge. I can't remember exactly, but the ones I used on mine that did so well were only about 3-4 dollars each.<br /><br />The softer ones wear out pretty fast, but they don't chew up the Aluminum.<br /><br />I didn't want to say so, but I figured with that 200 on that light a boat, even as big as it is, it should do at least 60 with the right prop and setup, without going over 6,000 rpm. <br /><br />A tupperware boat that size would more than likely have a big block V-8 and be a I/0, carrying a 75 gal. or bigger fuel cell to go much farther than 'barely out of sight' at 60, if it could get up that fast at all on a stock single engine. <br /><br />Something else that sweetens the deal is that big trolling motor. I haven't ever bought one, but that thing is gotta be worth $300 or so. It shuld pull that boat along on flat water about as fast as you can walk.<br /><br />If you use it alot, you might look into a big battery like they use on a bulldozer or 18 wheeler truck. They're expensive, heavy, and huge; but they'll last several years, and should run that trolling motor for about a week before going flat. <br /><br /><br />Ya got a great boat for a great price bro.<br /><br /><br />Ed.<br /><br />I know that kicked by a Clydsdale feeling. Back in 1990 I saw my 1968 Cherokee 21' cruiser the first time, and fell in love with it. For me, it was the perfect boat I'd lusted after all my life.<br /><br />5 years later, the guy who owned it asked me about how much it'd cost to do a full restoration on it, since he'd let it rot. <br /><br />It needed a new:<br />floor, cabin walls, engine overhaul-from rot, trailer tires, paint job, windows, overhaul the outdrive, on, nad on, and on,,,,,, <br /><br />It had sat full of rainwater and sunk in his yard after 2-3 years of total neglect.<br /><br />I told him it'd be cheaper to just buy a new boat than pay to have the Cherokee fixed. <br /><br />He asked, "Well, what's it worth, as it sits"?<br /><br />I didn't tell him how much the hull would bring at the scrap yard (about $300), but said, "A old boat is worth what the engine on it will sell for. The hull & trailer are free".<br /><br />"That's good to know, Now, can you please answer my question"?<br /><br />I told him, "OK, That engine has been sitting in your yard, and under water for 2 years. I doubt if it runs. But, the core deposit on that block is $450.". I forgot to tell him the outdrive by itself was fine and worth $1,000---- without the 3 spare props.<br /><br />He pondered on that a few seconds, and said, "I'll sell ya the whole thing for $500".<br /><br />On my lunch break, I went home and got 4 trailer tires, a shovel, and a pair of floor jacks to suck it up out of his yard with. <br /><br />I picked up the most perfect boat ever built that afternoon on the way home.<br /><br /><br />You got pretty much the same deal as I did on my dream boat, only yours is in much, much better shape for the price than mine was.
 

Barlow

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catchem - thnx for the enthusiasm!! It's really sorta funny 'cause i don't think I've been this happy with any purchase yet (knock on teak!). I've owned nicer boats... I can say that with-out a doubt but, have never been this damn happy over the purchase!! It's funny to actually sit back and realize how much damn smiling I've done in the past few days ... over something that's going to cost me more $$ and blood :D . Good thing fun and enjoyment is the goal!
 

Barlow

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JasonJ - First of all - Excellent job on your Silverline c/c conversion! Looks great and I bet it's a joy to be using! Thnx for the compliment! hopefully I do her the justice she deserves. Plan on keeping the basic set-up but, have yet to finalize any customization plans yet ...still chewing on a few things. Are you looking for just a hull or whole boat similar to this one??
 

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Ed - I better clarify that - the motor is @ 380lbs. and the trailer is rated at 4,400lb. weight capacity. I goofed on the motor #'s ... I think I was a little wound up!? (YA THINK! :D )<br /><br /><br />gotchya on the brushes. I picked up 10 of the disc/wheel type and a couple of the cup shaped too. They were right in there price wise as you explained. Thanx! also picked up more sanding discs, acetone, thinner, ply, rivets, Geo-cell, adhesive for the carpet, even more stainless fastners, two new batteries (couldn't pass on the batteries - to good of a price) and boxes so far... go look at carpet and paint tomarrow night... I'll finish this later Ed .... <br /><br />... did I hear someone say " BEER " !?!?! hmmmm I'll have one! :p :D <br /><br />(cont'd)
 
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