Hesitation coming out of the hole, '87 350 mercrusier.

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'87 350 merc. I/O serial #OB433786. Replaced entire fuel system had fuel pump checked, qudrajet 4 barrel rebuilt. Full tune up on electrical system, plugs, wires, rotor, dist. cap, coil and module under rotor. Has thunderbolt IV ignition system. Boat cranks and idles fine no missing. Has good hole shot when i first put it in the water. After 10 minutes or so from idle or trolling speed, won't accelerate. Engine hesitates(bogs down) and will not go. If the engine catches up it will run fine as long as I don't pull back to idle. On muffs in neutral revs up fine most of the time. Seems like its electrical since it only does this after engine warms up but I do not know. I took boat out today and it ran fine for about an hour, could't make it mess up????? It dosen't seem to do the same thing twice. I am now beyond my mechanical knowledge. One person told me to check the amplifier, not sure what this is or its purpose. Any help is appreciated. Thanks
 

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Re: Hesitation coming out of the hole, '87 350 mercrusier.

Ayuh,... I'd be lookin' at the carb...
 

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Re: Hesitation coming out of the hole, '87 350 mercrusier.

I see that your boat is the same year as mine and motor/carb combo. I too have had some of the same issues but I had already known what it was. So I hope I can help you out with my findings and fixes.
1. You probably have a well insulated engine compartment which cause a tad bit of heat to build up
2. What fuel are you using?
3. how many blowers in the engine compartment and does it work well?

What I found is I was starting to boil my fuel, although I never use ethonal gas I found that my engine compartment was extremely warm and worse when I just shut the engine off and sat awhile.

What I did was I took the old foam out of the compartment as it was in bad shape anyway. I also make sure I do not use ethonal fuel, despite what some people think about it I know enough about it to not want it around any of my toys.

I also added a blower to my engine compartment so now I have one on each side of the engine.

Last thing I have coming from my dad is a kit for our older boats to cool the fuel line. (pops is in the marine biz) So I will add more info once I get this kit to help cool the fuel charge.

Running my boat I found I had all kind of take off power as well when the engine was at proper water temp and first run. I soon ran into poor performance after time on the water until I got moving agin then all seemed good.

Now I run both blowers all the time, when I stop and anchor at a sand bar, or just a snack in the boat I open the rear deck up. So far my efforts have paid off. I no longer have the hesitation I use to have, and if you are using ethonal fuel here are some facts about it, sorry for the long post, but I know exactly what you are going through.

ETHANOL AND VAPOR LOCK

Short description:
When the engine compartment becomes hot either by climate or idling, and you use ethanol-blend gasoline it can cause excessive vapors in your fuel line and starve the engine of fuel. The engine can run poorly or stop and will not run until the fuel condenses.

THE PROBLEMS

Vapor Lock

Fuel containing 10% ethanol is called E10. If you have ethanol in your gas, you run the risk of creating vapor lock because of excess vapors.

Ethanol ?boils? at 87?F (at normal atmospheric pressure) and turns from a liquid to a gaseous state. By comparison, most automobiles have their fuel pump in the gas tank, so the whole system remains under pressure unlike boats whose fuel tanks are vented. In a closed system, the higher pressure raises the flash point of the ethanol reducing the amount of vapor that is produced. In addition, most automobile fuel lines are outside of the vehicle allowing them to stay cooler.

Since most boat fuel lines are in the enclosed space (sometimes even insulated) of the engine compartment, normal ventilation will not cool the fuel significantly enough to avoid the potential problems of vapor lock. Furthermore, since the fuel pump in a boat is mounted on the engine (versus a car where the pump resides in the tank) the action of the pump can reduce pressure in the tank to below atmospheric pressure and further reduce the flash point.

Boat engineers are aware of this problem and are reducing the likelihood of this occurring by reducing the suction required by the fuel pump, minimizing hose fittings and bends, and including a quality anti-siphon valve. In existing boats, fuel lines and filters should be kept as low in the boat as possible and tank vents should be cleaned and open.

Heat Soak

Most boats have ?forced? ventilation. Air moves through the engine compartment when the boat moves forward. Heat soak happens after you have been at high RPM and then stop or drift on idle for a while. Because of heat soak the engine compartment will rise to a point where the ethanol will boil

THE CURE

To prevent vapor lock (i.e. boiling ethanol):

Make sure the engine compartment has adequate ventilation.
Relocate fuel lines to be low in the bilge. (The bilge is cooler because it is in direct contact with the water.)
Monitor the engine compartment temperature.
Add (or turn on) engine room blowers.
Keep the tank vent clean and unobstructed.

ETHANOL, WATER AND YOUR FUEL SYSTEM

PROBLEMS

Ethanol is a solvent and can damage fiberglass tanks. It can dissolve old sludge in tanks which mixes with the gasoline and clogs filters. This can cause the engine to run very poorly.

Since ethanol molecules bond with water molecules the fuel can be contaminated by water. Fuel/water separators (filters) are supposed to separate out this water, but the amount of water trapped by the ethanol can quickly overwhelm the filter and allow water to pass through to the engine. Moist air enters the fuel tank by the tank vent (remember automobiles do not have this problem due to their closed system designed to help reduce emissions). Water can also settle to the bottom of the tank and cause the engine to run poorly and corrode fuel system components especially if the tank is not kept close to full.

E10 fuel is not as stable as past formulas. Older formulations would stay ?fresh? for about 6 months. E10 can go stale in about 2 ? 3 weeks. This is not a problem for an automobile with a 15 gallon tank, but if you have a boat with a 250 gallon tank, watch out!

THE CURE

The best way to keep water from the engine is to install a good water separator with a 10 micron filter to remove sludge and other contaminants. It is also crucial to drain the filter and check it more frequently than you may have in the past.
Volvo Penta recommends adding Sta-bil ? to the fuel system. This must be done with new fuel. The Sta-bil will not treat stale fuel.
 

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Re: Hesitation coming out of the hole, '87 350 mercrusier.

O.K. I had a mech. tell me to give a little shot of starting fluid when it starts messing up. If its carb or gas issues this should compensate for this and make boat take off. Good idea or not? I did it and it choked engine down even more, almost shut down. So according to this mech., this tells me that it is an electrical problem. Could it be a timing problem? If so how do I set the timing since the distributer is not adjustable. I am not running ethanol fuel. Thanks Icyharp for all the info. I will try keeping engine comp. cooler. Guess that will be tomorrows trip to the water. I go almost everyday, come home from work tinker on boat go to the water. This has taken over my life!
 

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Re: Hesitation coming out of the hole, '87 350 mercrusier.

O.K. I had a mech. tell me to give a little shot of starting fluid when it starts messing up. If its carb or gas issues this should compensate for this and make boat take off. Good idea or not? I did it and it choked engine down even more, almost shut down.

starting fluid may not make the enigne pick up, even if it is fuel starved - your best bet is to fill a dish soap bottle with gas and squirt it in the carb when the engine stumbles, ths will definitely let you know if your problem is fuel related


how do I set the timing since the distributer is not adjustable

t-bolt IV igntion timing is VERY adjustable, set it just like you would a conventional system
 

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Re: Hesitation coming out of the hole, '87 350 mercrusier.

Dubs283 when you say a like a conventional system do you mean by turning the distributer? I am very mechanicaly illiterate. I'm depending on who ever I can get help from and one auto mech. tried to adjust timing at dist. and said it did not adjust, then tried to sell me a new one.
 

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Re: Hesitation coming out of the hole, '87 350 mercrusier.

I'm depending on who ever I can get help from and one auto mech.

never depend on an auto mechanic to fix your boat

yes turn the distributor, your mechanic obviously does not know anything about boats
 

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Re: Hesitation coming out of the hole, '87 350 mercrusier.

Could the timing be causing the hesitation. Thats about all thats left to try. Tired of throwing parts at this problem.
 

dirtdog38

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Re: Hesitation coming out of the hole, '87 350 mercrusier.

yes timing can do it if your slow on it. check your chock to make sure its wide open at temp and dont use starting fluid bad idea. check your acelarator pump give it full movement. use a light to set the time u dont want it advanced to far or you will burn a piston
 

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Re: Hesitation coming out of the hole, '87 350 mercrusier.

Well looks like the new distributer cap that I put on 6 weeks ago was bad. Had to pay a mechanic to tell me that. That stinks! Been on water last 4 days and no problems to report. Hope it really was that simple. Wish me luck. Thanks for all the help.
 
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