Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

[83vert]

I know that Don.S. does not use never sieze but I forgot what brand or type he says to use. I know it has been posted before I just cant find it, any ideas?

 

[achris]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

'Never Seize' has copper (or zinc) in it... That sets up galvanic corrosion (dissimilar metals). Use any good quality waterproof grease that DOES NOT contain any metals.

Chris......

 

[Don S]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

I know that Don.S. does not use never sieze but I forgot what brand or type he says to use. I know it has been posted before I just cant find it, any ideas?

I use different things in different places. I have never had a need to use Never Sieze of any kind.

 

[grahamh]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

Never seize works great on exhaust manifolds studs in automotive applications...I've never used it on a boat though.

 

[achris]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

Never seize works great on exhaust manifolds studs in automotive applications...I've never used it on a boat though.

And don't use it on a boat.... The dissimilar metals and the seawater set up a galvanic cell, lots of corrosion!

Chris.......

 

[83vert]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

So just a waterproof grease on the threads and I am good to go?

 

[Don S]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

So just a waterproof grease on the threads and I am good to go?

One more time. IT depends on what you are working on as to what to use. There is no "One Item Does It All"

 

[83vert]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

How about on engine bolts (starter, fuel pump, water circulating pump, risers, manifolds, intake, carb) that will not be in direct contact most of the time with salt water?

 

[Don S]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

I just use Perfect seal gasket sealer on bolts. The starter bolts I put grease on, as they are long and get corroded inside the starter. never had one come loose, and I've installed a bunch of starters over the years.

 

[83vert]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

Perfect seal gasket sealer, thats the stuff. Thanks Don

 

[artificialreef]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

I hope your not talking about permatex antiseis lube, because i put that on every spark plug i change. I am from the auto world and just entered the marine world. Hope i am not hosing my stuff too?

 

[achris]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

Spark plugs should be put in dry!

Just read the DATA SHEET on the permatex stuff... First paragraph said all I needed to know!!! That stuff wouldn't get within 500 yards of my boats!!!!

Chris.........

 

[JustJason]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

Lots of bolts should be put in dry or lightly lubed. All depends on what bolts and where they are going.

 

[mariner1900]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

"Never Seeze" aniti-sieze compound comes in 2 common forms. Copper based and Nickel based. In the heavy marine field we use anti-sieze literally by the truck load and on nearly every bolted connection. If you have ever spent 8 hours using a hammer and chisel to remove bolts that were put on dry you would know.

I don't see any problem using the nickel based anti-sieze on the stern drive. The corrosion cell is already present by the use of aluminium with stainless steel fittings and fasteners. Nickel is a constituent of stainless steel so is already present. A little bit more nickel won't hurt. You need to make sure all your ground straps and anodes are properly connected.

 

[Lou C]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

Like Don said it depends on where the fastener is and what its made of....I can tell you that on my OMC Cobra most of the fittings on the drive are supposed to get OMC gasket sealer (Permatex Aviation sealer is the equivalent) which is a soft sealer that stays pliable...it works great. I use OMC Triple Guard grease on most other things like starter bolts and spark plug threads and I've never had a problem removing anything I installed this way and my boat sits in salt water 6 months out of the year...I have used antiseize on cars but no where in my factory OMC manual does it say to use anti seize....and even on cars...if you do use it...use is sparingly...just a very light coat...if you put on too heavy of a coat it will cake up the threads and make it difficult to remove and reinstall.....Ive had to clean it out of the threads of fasterners on my old 98 Jeep for this reason so even on my cars I will probably just use grease from now on..

 

[dakine]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

Nickel based anti sieze for stainless and steel nuts and bolts.
That's what we use in Gulf Coast chemical plants subject to salt fog and HCl.
All fasteners require some kind of lube to torque correctly.
Never put a bolt in dry.
Anything in contact with aluminum will corrode the aluminum since it sits near the top of the galvanic series.

I'm not agreeing with Don on this one.
I always carefully brush nickel based anti sieze on spark plug threads as it holds up to temperature better than grease.
Never had one fail to come out even on aluminum heads.

 

[Don S]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

I'm not agreeing with Don on this one.
I always carefully brush nickel based anti sieze on spark plug threads as it holds up to temperature better than grease.
Never had one fail to come out even on aluminum heads.

Let me guess, you aren't near salt water and never have boated in salt or brackish water have you?
In fresh water you don't need anything and stuff will come apart.

 

[mkast]

Re: Hey Don.S. If not never sieze then what?

All fasteners require some kind of lube to torque correctly.
Never put a bolt in dry.

Those statements are not accurate.
Unless the maintenance manual states a specific lubricant to use, the fastener should be installed dry. By lubricating the fastener, your torque value will be off by as much as thirty percent.