High Octane gasoline vs. Low Octane--a primer

Frank Acampora

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Periodically, the controversy over what octane fuel to use arises. Here is the answer. Use this infomation as you desire.

When air is compressed in a closed cylinder it heats up. The compression ratio can be high enough to auto-ignite the fuel. Indeed, this is the principal upon which a Diesel engine works: Air is compressed past the point of fuel ignition, then fuel is injected and it burns. Because it is injected at one point, it burns evenly and no harm is caused. A Diesel engine always injests full amount of air--there is no throttle-- and power is regulated by the amount of fuel injected. Enough about Diesels.

A gasoline engine is fundamentally different because of the fuel properties. Gasoline engines are regulated by controlling with a throttle the amount of air injested, and the proper amount of fuel is mixed with this air then ignited by a spark.

Because gasoline is much more volatile than diesel fuel and because it ignites at a lower temperature, gasoline engines have a lower compression ratio than Diesel. Now we get to the heart of the matter.

Back in the early days when automobiles were first being built and sold, the SAE ( Society of Automobile Engineers) arbitrarily set the octane rating of NORMAL OCTANE ( a liquid component of gasoline) to 100. All gasolines are measured against this standard and for example, aviation fuel is much higher than 100 octane rating. 87 octane pump gasoline has 87% of the knock resistance of normal octane--that's all the number indicates.

The octane rating is a measure of "knock" resistance. Knock is the auto-ignition of the fuel/air mixture due to compression temperature and can sometimes be heard as "pinging." High throttle settings and advanced timing will result in a heavier knocking sound.

In those days, poor quality fuel was raised in octane by adding a very cheap compound, tetraethyl lead. This was one lead molecule to which four ethyl molecules were attached. Lead was used because it is one of the few elements that can have four groups attached. Heat of combustion detached them, liberating ethane compounds which burn cooler and have a higher octane rating than gasoline. All gas had it but high test had more and for this reason was sometimes referred to as "Ethyl." This compound was used up until around the 1970 when the federal government mandated that lead be outlawed from fuel; lead levels in the environment were rising and we all know that lead is poisonous. This lead also collected on valves and exhaust systems. In two cycle outboards, it tended to plug the exhaust ports. So, losing it was a good thing. BTW: in those days Amoco was the only lead free gasoline and was a good bit more expensive. It was refined from more expensive, higher grade base stock, crude oil. Today, almost all gasoline contains some measure of ethanol. However, while it does raise knock resistance, it is done primarily for economic reasons, rather than raising the octane rating.

SO: in a low compression engine, it is sufficient to burn low (87) octane fuel because the heat of compression is not high enough to ignite it spontaneously. However, as compression is raised, higher octane ratings are necessary to prevent this auto-ignition. Since higher octane gasoline burns at about the same temperature as low octane, it generates the same amount of power. The reason a high compression, high octane engine develops more power is because the higher compression raises the BMEP--Base Mean Effective Pressure: More pressure = more horsepower. Timing is usually advanced a bit also for a better power curve and the engines are usually adjusted to injest more air/fuel mixture. They also usually produce this power at a higher RPM than a low compression engine. THUS: There is NO advantage to using high octane fuel in an engine that requires low octane, and at best, it is a waste of money. Indeed, some high octane fuels can contain compounds that could be harmful to low compression engines.

However, using low octane rated fuel in a high compression engine is harmful. Because the gasoline auto-ignites at a different point than the sparkplug and usually earlier, there are two flame fronts burning. When the flame fronts collide, excess temperature and pressure are generated. We may hear it as a knocking noise also known as "detonation." This melts the aluminum of the piston while at the same time hammering it. Total destruction is the result.

Conclusion: Use fuel with the octane rating recommended by the manufacturer.

Lean running conditions are a separate scenario not related to octane rating. Lean fuel mixtures also auto-ignite more easily and burn hotter than proper mixtures of gasoline and air regardless of octane rating. The result, however is the same: Total destruction of the piston.
 

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Very good information but a correction is appropriate regarding aviation gasoline.

With the exception of a few places in the world, avgas has not been rated at more than 100 octane in many years. What is currently available is "100LL," which is referred to as "100 Low Lead." This is a leaded fuel that is thought of as low lead, mostly because its lead content is lower than it predecessors. It does, in fact, contain a fair amount of TEL, at 2 grams per U.S. gallon.

Prior to environmental concerns, which led to the development of 100LL, the most common aviation gasolines were 80/87, 100/130 and 115/145. Another fuel, not so commonly available, was 91/96. Both 91/96 and 115/145 were used by the military for the most part. The reason why all of these fuels had a variable octane rating, is because aircraft engines run at both rich and lean mixtures. The lower value is the octane rating at a lean mixture, while the higher number is the rich mixture value.
 

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u know here the strange thing. is that my dad said when he went skiiing my grandfather to go to amco and get the "white gas" as my dad siad they called it. because the gas was colored white. so thats explains y he bought the more expensive one for the big 50hp motor in my garage. i cause he knew that it had no lead and that it was bad for it? lol
 

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Ya, I have been on to this myth for a long time.

I just laugh every time I see some kid putting racing gas in his moms car thinking it will make it faster, all he is doing is making his wallet thinner.
 
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Thanks Frank. Much appreciated.

2-cycle outboards are relatively low compression engines. Not to mention we have oil mixed into the fuel.

High octane fuels do indeed burn slower and cause their own unique set of issues for a 2-stroke engine such as: carbon deposits which effect rings and ports, piston top deposits. The latter can cause "pinging" due to hot spots caused by glowing carbon.

I've always been taught that feeding an engine high octane fuel, that doesn't require it, makes an "octane junkie" out of it. The deposits are formed which glow and cause the pre-ignition. It becomes a growing cycle ending with engine destruction due to pre-ignition.

As mentioned, "White Gas" was indeed lead free. It was primarily used for camping stoves and Coleman lanterns. The reason was that the lead content in regular fuel was not very healthful to breathe. It also was perfect for outboards.

Today we have lead free gasoline everywhere. That's good news for outboards.

The ethanol debate continues. The issues with ethanol are:

1. Its affinity (attractant) to water.

2. Corrosive tendancies.

3. Incompatibility with some rubber and composite materials in the fuel systems.

4. Less BTU's (power) per volume, than pure gasoline. So, you use more of it.
 

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Thanks Frank. Much appreciated.

2-cycle outboards are relatively low compression engines. Not to mention we have oil mixed into the fuel.

High octane fuels do indeed burn slower and cause their own unique set of issues for a 2-stroke engine such as: carbon deposits which effect rings and ports, piston top deposits. The latter can cause "pinging" due to hot spots caused by glowing carbon.

I've always been taught that feeding an engine high octane fuel, that doesn't require it, makes an "octane junkie" out of it. The deposits are formed which glow and cause the pre-ignition. It becomes a growing cycle ending with engine destruction due to pre-ignition.

As mentioned, "White Gas" was indeed lead free. It was primarily used for camping stoves and Coleman lanterns. The reason was that the lead content in regular fuel was not very healthful to breathe. It also was perfect for outboards.

Today we have lead free gasoline everywhere. That's good news for outboards.

The ethanol debate continues. The issues with ethanol are:

1. Its affinity (attractant) to water.

2. Corrosive tendancies.

3. Incompatibility with some rubber and composite materials in the fuel systems.

4. Less BTU's (power) per volume, than pure gasoline. So, you use more of it.



y not use it in the most diest of areas like a desert city? lol
 

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Jay Merrill: Sometimes the past and present collide and meld in my mind. The high octane aviation fuel I was referring to was actually in the 1950s and 60s I seem to remember somthing around 125 octane, but my memory could be wrong.

Early aviation--you know--The triple tailed Lockheed Constellation with four Pratt and Whitney double wasp, 18 cylinder, supercharged radial engines producing something like 1500 HP each--or maybe more, memory is vague. For my money, The Connie was and still is the most beautiful plane ever made. Just ahead of the Mustang. OK! OK! Connie is the most beautiful COMMERCIAL and Mustang is most beautiful COMBAT plane. Let's not mention the SR71 which is in a class by itself--nothing manned will probably ever equal that one.

I attended the Academy of Aeronautics in Flushing and regularly watched Constellations from my drafting (mechanical drawing) class. We were right under the flight path for one runway. When those babies took off from La Guardia they flew over low --like maybe 100 or 200 feet high--and shook the whole school. Interestingly enough, they always raised one main landing gear (I think the port side) before the other.
 

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I remember AMCO white gas when I was kid some 50+ years ago. They started adding oil to lubricate the valves. In face I have a bottle of lead additive in the shop as I used to add it to an old 1976 Dodge 360.
 

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I know what you mean about the memory thing - I fall victim to it a lot too!

The Connie was always one of my favorites, as well. I remember flying on TWA Connies as a kid. We flew on DC6/7s too, but the Connie just had a lot more cool factor! The L1049G Super Constellation had 18 cylinder, Curtis Wright R3350 engines, which ranged in power from 2,500 to 3,400 hp. For some reason, I seem to remember a few of them being built with 28 cylinder, Pratt & Whitney R4360 engines, but I can't find anything on the net to support that, so it might not be true.

In as much as 115/145 was a military fuel, the civilian Connies most likely used 100/130 avgas. They also would have run quite well on the 115/145, though. I don't know if they could have been run om 91/96 or 80/87, but if so, I'm sure maximum allowable manifold pressure would have been reduced substantially.

One little trivia fact about the Connie is that John Travolta once had one. I can't say that I really know John, but I met him a few times in a business capacity, during the 80s. He always had a thing for 4 engine aircraft (I actually tried to talk him out of buying the GE powered Lockheed Jetstar that he also owned for awhile), so I can understand his attraction to the Connie. According to one website that I just looked at, the airplane is now in South Korea and is being "canabalized" to keep another Connie flying.
 

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So, what octane do should I use in my 1945 Farmall with 5.33:1 compression?:D
(This is where all my 'old gas' gets burned).
 

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Heck mthieme, that thing would prolly run on corn squeezins! :D
 

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LOL
The manual describes a procedure for running off of "distillates" (kerosene),
 

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Dont think the pratt 4360 ever made it to a CONNIE. They had the misfortune to be hung on DC-7s and BOEING stratocruisers, KC-97. Both the big WRIGHTS and PRATTS were maint. nightmares. Were worthless in the secondary market like the CV-880/990. Anything with an R-2800 was popular. Have always wanted to see a cutaway of a BRISTOL, sleeve valve radial, that had to be some monkey motion.
You mentioned the gear coming up unevenly. There are snubbers in the up line to slow things down so the gear does not slam into the well. On extension, the gear free falls and locks on it own. Hydraulics just come in to back things up. Knew a lot of people that went to the accedamy there. I went to PIEDMONT in winston-salem. Place was full of MARTIN 404s. Remember gas was color coded. I am on a boating site talking planes! Old man forgets where he is at. Going to be close to 80 today, think I will go drink some beer on the beach. regards FRED
 

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So how come my 92 Evinrude 40hp says it will run on regular gas, but reccomends premium for a cleaner running motor?
 

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I can't help but wonder where fuel system maintenance and cleanliness is a factor in all of the statistics. I agree, and very much appreciate the history and insight.

I have to admit though, I have gotten better performance with plus(89) gas than
I have with regular(87). All of the motor vehicles and boat engines I have had and seen ratings for have recommended a "minimum" of 87. I have not seen any recommending 87 as the best for it.

So, if 87 is ok, and you don't use any fuel cleaners at all, what happens in a few months when crud starts to work its way into just about everything?
I'll stay with 89. My neighbors tell me they can't believe how I keep older vehicles running and pulling boats around. I believe in PM, and 89 is part of that for me.

I looked around, and found an article that supports my thoughts on octane
and towing. Near the end of the page, the author states that higher octane
may be helpful for towing purposes.

http://www.theserviceadvisor.com/octane.htm
 
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