Hillary's Health Care Plan

[ricksrster]

She has no plan. She's waiting for the polls so she can go with the flow:
However, while Clinton said the issue continues to be a high priority for her, she has not offered up a specific plan. One questioner at the town hall meeting held up a copy of a DVD containing a detailed description of Democratic rival John Edwards' plan for universal health care, asking Clinton if she will also offer specifics.

"The reason she hasn't "set out a plan and said here's exactly what I will do," Clinton said, is that she wants to hear from voters what kind of plan they would favor.

"I want the ideas that people have," said Clinton. She said any health care plan must deal with the reality that there's a unique climate in the country.

"We are bigger and more diverse and people like their choice," said Clinton."
http://my.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20070326/46075350_3421_13345200703262139794395

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

I'm sure she's gun-shy after her previous experience. But something has to be done.

I'm hoping readers from other parts of the world post what they have and how it works.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

I'm hoping readers from other parts of the world post what they have and how it works.

If they do you will find out why these people come here for healthcare. The Government has no business messing with our healthcare.

Where does it say that we all must have free healthcare. First off, It`s not FREE Any such plan would skyrocket out of control in no time. Our taxes will go out of the roof! What makes you think that our government could handle anything like this, what else have they made a success out of?

I vote no!

 

[ricksrster]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

People that feel the government is responsible for health care can move to Canada. It is very easy to immigrate. But if you do, you must register your fire arms.
country's that provide health care for their subjects are called Socialists Republics.
It all started in the U.S.S.R. When I was in school, the liberally enlightened educational staff taught what a superior system the other guys had. The U.S.S.R. is gone now. They went broke.
Socialism does that to a country.
Well, we will just have to raise taxes to pay for another endowment. Why should we punish the people that are successful through their hard work to pay the way for the lazy.
Here's how the People's Republic of NY takes care of it:
http://www.health.state.ny.us/health_care/medicaid/

 

[rolmops]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

It is always nice to see how good Christians interpret these words of their teacher and master. "Love your neighbor as you love yourself"
It must be that the guy who started christianity was a socialist ,or worse, a communist.

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

It is always nice to see how good Christians interpret these words of their teacher and master. "Love your neighbor as you love yourself"
It must be that the guy who started christianity was a socialist ,or worse, a communist.

You probably do have a good point there, it has been said that with a few fish he fed a few thousand folks.
If he was as generous with that healthcare plan of his, perhaps Hillary won't be having that lopsided platform to stand on.d

 

[stevieray]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

It is always nice to see how good Christians interpret these words of their teacher and master. "Love your neighbor as you love yourself"
It must be that the guy who started christianity was a socialist ,or worse, a communist.

You probably do have a good point there, it has been said that with a few fish he fed a few thousand folks.
If he was as generous with that healthcare plan of his, perhaps Hillary won't be having that lopsided platform to stand on.d

Yeah, rolmops - didn't you know that god is a republican & that line was only meant to be read by other republicans? Jeez!

 

[Pony]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

I'm hoping readers from other parts of the world post what they have and how it works.

If they do you will find out why these people come here for healthcare. The Government has no business messing with our healthcare.

Where does it say that we all must have free healthcare. First off, It`s not FREE Any such plan would skyrocket out of control in no time. Our taxes will go out of the roof! What makes you think that our government could handle anything like this, what else have they made a success out of?

I vote no!

Free DOES NOT equal Universal. Where did this "Free" rant come from?

Oh and not all of them come here for their health care, thats a misconception. Why don't you go talk to an Aussie......they like their system.

What needs to happen first is a reform on prescription drugs. The cost of those things are out of control and something like 70% of that goes to advertising. You need a prescription to get it, and if it is what you need the Dr will prescribe it......why spend so much on advertising it and then push the bill onto the consumer.

I dont know if universal healthcare is the answer, but what we have is not. When healcare costs almost as much as a mortage for a family of four, we have an issue.

 

[Gabby]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

Willy, I can tell you how health care plans work in other countries. It's called TAXES!!!

You then have no say in your doctor, hospital, etc. You do what your told, where your told with whatever they have. Social medicine is the common name.

And FYI, for my own edification, someone PLEASE tell me why we need to pay for a national healthcare plan? It isn't in the Constitution last time I checked. It isn't a right, is it? Reform I would agree with, as the pharmaceutical companies are making record profits and medical malpractice insurance is outrageous. But to mandate I pay for someone elses medical care is assinine.

Besides, if you read what the Dems consider the "wealthy" of this country, whom they can tax at will, you might be surprised to find your statistically wealthy. It's the hard working guy making 18.50 an hour for a whopping 38K a year that the government considers middle class. Scary.

 

[stevieray]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

medical malpractice insurance is outrageous.

That is an understatement. Here is a plan to cut premiums by 99%:

Doctor screws up & it's an inconvenience - you get your money back. Period.

Doctor screws up & you have to go to another doctor to fix it - you get your money back & second doctor is paid for. Period.

Doctor screws up & you die - family gets your money back & funeral expenses are paid for. Period.

Who can really put a dollar figure on "pain & suffering" anyway? Could you imagine if there were auto or boat malpractice laws & you could sue a mechanic for millions of dollars for keeping your car off the road or your boat out of the water too long? Then mechanics would need insurance to cover that & cost of repairs would be as bad as health care.

 

[PW2]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

Willy, I can tell you how health care plans work in other countries. It's called TAXES!!!

You then have no say in your doctor, hospital, etc. You do what your told, where your told with whatever they have. Social medicine is the common name.

And FYI, for my own edification, someone PLEASE tell me why we need to pay for a national healthcare plan? It isn't in the Constitution last time I checked. It isn't a right, is it? Reform I would agree with, as the pharmaceutical companies are making record profits and medical malpractice insurance is outrageous. But to mandate I pay for someone elses medical care is assinine.

Besides, if you read what the Dems consider the "wealthy" of this country, whom they can tax at will, you might be surprised to find your statistically wealthy. It's the hard working guy making 18.50 an hour for a whopping 38K a year that the government considers middle class. Scary.

Where is it written we have to adopt some other country"s health care plan?

Like it or not, we are competing in a global economy with countries that do have health care of some sort, and the individual cost to the various companies that don't need to provide health care to their employees puts US firms are a disadvantage, unless, of course, they drop health care coverage to be competitive.

It's putting Ford and GM out of business funding employee and retiree healthcare, and you don't think they'll move production to Canada or somewhere else where they don't have this problem?

I am very familiar with Canada"s health care
system, and it has it's problems no doubt---all fixable, BTW, But there are some 50 million people in this country without healthcare, and there is something wrong with a system that requires a person to become destitute in order to get help if they are unfortunate enough to get sick without coverage

 

[bekosh]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

It is always nice to see how good Christians interpret these words of their teacher and master. "Love your neighbor as you love yourself"
It must be that the guy who started christianity was a socialist ,or worse, a communist.

Not at all. No where did he say that your neighbor must support you or that you should coerced into supporting them.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Never has a more vile and destructive creed been foisted upon mankind.

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

PW, put down your glass of Koolaid and listen. Do you have any clue the breakdown of what demographic most of those 50 million are? Most are kids between the age of 18-30, an age where they are healthy and don't need health care.

How many of those 50 million can afford health care, and just choose not to buy any? You need to stop blindly buying the stats that your lib buddies spit out and analyize the situation just a little bit. It would pay off huge in the long run.

And on that same note:

What are you libs going to do about car insurance? How many million don't have car insurance? Where is the universal car insurance plan?

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

[colour=blue]Hey Rolmops, WbW, PW2! Many of my professsors at the UW, (University of Washington), many many moons ago also worshiped the USSR, Cuba, n' other totalaterian States, n' one of the things they really liked was the health care systems in those terrible countries that they preached were superior to our Country, (PW2 coulda been an upper classman gettin' his indoctranation that sticks with him today for all I know). Many other friends of mine found similar bias in public universities around the Country, so ya wonder why Cornservatives even exist? Idea: Why don't you guys give a % of yer wages n' property, (assets) to yer god, (nanny government) n' leave the rest of us to fend for our selves? You can donate to Uncle Sam if it makes ya FEEL GOOD n' all: ya know. Please review recent history, (the last 140 years since Das Kapital n' show all of us a sucessfull socialist or communist state that provides wonderfull health care for it's people). In fact: name one country on this planet that is better then the USA, (with all of our faults n' all)! The only way to "solve" health care is to give incentives for private entities to build clinics, n' staff 'em with people allowed to get their Doctorates without the restrictions of the AMA, n' RNs n' other health professionals as well. Walmart comes ta mind. (It's called competition, [a novel corncept eh?]) My $.02. Respectfully, JR[/colour]

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

[colour=blue]One more rant: Any of you geniuses ever ponder what woulda happened if ol' Hillary actually did cornvert 1/6th of the GDP, (the size of healthcare industry she proposed to nationalize in 1993), into a government entity? BTW: those healthcare companies ya luv ta hate, (that ol' Hillary woulda killed), do employ lots o' people and pay a LOT OF TAXES! The fact of the matter is that one move would have doubled the size of ol' nanny government. Instead of all those weathly corporations that pay lots o' taxes you woulda had to pay fer it outa yer wallet. Think about that one if ya still have any brain cells left. My single brain cell wasn't too impressed; but that's ol Murky, n' it's easy to trick ol' Murky! JR[/colour]

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

Willy, I can tell you how health care plans work in other countries. It's called TAXES!!!

You then have no say in your doctor, hospital, etc. You do what your told, where your told with whatever they have. Social medicine is the common name.

And FYI, for my own edification, someone PLEASE tell me why we need to pay for a national healthcare plan? It isn't in the Constitution last time I checked. It isn't a right, is it? Reform I would agree with, as the pharmaceutical companies are making record profits and medical malpractice insurance is outrageous. But to mandate I pay for someone elses medical care is assinine.

Besides, if you read what the Dems consider the "wealthy" of this country, whom they can tax at will, you might be surprised to find your statistically wealthy. It's the hard working guy making 18.50 an hour for a whopping 38K a year that the government considers middle class. Scary.

Where is it written we have to adopt some other country"s health care plan?

Like it or not, we are competing in a global economy with countries that do have health care of some sort, and the individual cost to the various companies that don't need to provide health care to their employees puts US firms are a disadvantage, unless, of course, they drop health care coverage to be competitive.

It's putting Ford and GM out of business funding employee and retiree healthcare, and you don't think they'll move production to Canada or somewhere else where they don't have this problem?

I am very familiar with Canada"s health care
system, and it has it's problems no doubt---all fixable, BTW, But there are some 50 million people in this country without healthcare, and there is something wrong with a system that requires a person to become destitute in order to get help if they are unfortunate enough to get sick without coverage

Seeing how you are intimately familiar with Canada, what is the % of taxes on folks? And don't forget the months waited to get an MRI or see the OBY/GYN. My cousind daughter waited 7 months to get in to the the OBY/GYN adn she was in pian. If the doctor orders an MRI the wait can be longer.
And Businesses pay a larger % of the health care for it's employees.

 

[rolmops]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

In many European countries,The rights to housing ,food, basic medical care, education and work are the constitutional rights of every citizen.
Of course these privileges are paid for through taxes.How Else?
As far as the medical care is concerned,excluding university hospitals,the government does not actually do the care giving.
It just put legislature in place through which every person has the right to medical care.When the wages reach a higher level,then by law not only does the wage earner pay the basic fees to a private sick fund,HMO,or whatever they are called, he also pays additional insurance and has the right to more privileges.
We see that the government does not do the actual care giving and it is not involved in the patient /doctor choice or relationship.
The government does control the fees that a doctor is allowed to charge.In return there is no malpractice legislation as we know it here.The government also controls the drug pricing policies.
Because most doctors have had their schooling paid for by the tax payers,there are no astronomic loans to pay back.
I could go on,but I think that you get the gist.
All in all,medical care in Europe costs only about 30% of what it costs here and the average expectancy of Western Europeans is a few years higher than that of the Average American.
When Europeans choose to go totally private,they have that choice,but very few choose to do so.
As far as high taxes are concerned.It is a two way street.People also get a much better return for their tax money ,like for instance free education and usually,there are far more checks and balances in place.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

In many European countries,The rights to housing ,food, basic medical care, education and work are the constitutional rights of every citizen.
Of course these privileges are paid for through taxes.How Else?
As far as the medical care is concerned,excluding university hospitals,the government does not actually do the care giving.
It just put legislature in place through which every person has the right to medical care.When the wages reach a higher level,then by law not only does the wage earner pay the basic fees to a private sick fund,HMO,or whatever they are called, he also pays additional insurance and has the right to more privileges.
We see that the government does not do the actual care giving and it is not involved in the patient /doctor choice or relationship.
The government does control the fees that a doctor is allowed to charge.In return there is no malpractice legislation as we know it here.The government also controls the drug pricing policies.
Because most doctors have had their schooling paid for by the tax payers,there are no astronomic loans to pay back.
I could go on,but I think that you get the gist.
All in all,medical care in Europe costs only about 30% of what it costs here and the average expectancy of Western Europeans is a few years higher than that of the Average American.
When Europeans choose to go totally private,they have that choice,but very few choose to do so.
As far as high taxes are concerned.It is a two way street.People also get a much better return for their tax money ,like for instance free education and usually,there are far more checks and balances in place.

[colour=blue]Rolmops, Do you have any idea what the unemployment rates are in those countries that you admire sooooo much? How about the rate of growth of their GDPs over the last 20 years? Answer: They are in the toilet!! They don't pay for their national defence AT ALL, they look to us for defence, (at our expence BTW), n' knash their teeth n' whine when we take action to save their sorry butts. In fact, if you took all our troops out of Europe right after 1945 they would have fallen on their Socialist faces!! Think about how much of our national treasure paid for the families of our servicemen stationed there? Why do ya think they get six week paid vacations? They leave their old people in hot apartments to die while on vacation. When ya only work at half speed ya live longer, BTW. Be carefull of what ya wish for: Rolmops. Ya might get France! Where ya have ta hide at night while yer car is burning and the police are attacked, and yer affraid to put cartoons in the news paper! Not much here for ol' Murky to admire, but: I guess I'm real different then you in how I look at the world! Regards! JR[/colour]

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

In many European countries,The rights to housing ,food, basic medical care, education and work are the constitutional rights of every citizen.
Of course these privileges are paid for through taxes.How Else?

I don't know what planet you were raised on rolmops, but that is called COMMUNISM! And it was tried in America, by the settlers in Plymouth, before they nearly starved to death.

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed112205b.cfm

You can call it what you like, rolmops, but national healthcare and all other forms of forced kindness still quack like a duck!

 

[rolmops]

Re: Hillary's Health Care Plan

In many European countries,The rights to housing ,food, basic medical care, education and work are the constitutional rights of every citizen.
Of course these privileges are paid for through taxes.How Else?
As far as the medical care is concerned,excluding university hospitals,the government does not actually do the care giving.
It just put legislature in place through which every person has the right to medical care.When the wages reach a higher level,then by law not only does the wage earner pay the basic fees to a private sick fund,HMO,or whatever they are called, he also pays additional insurance and has the right to more privileges.
We see that the government does not do the actual care giving and it is not involved in the patient /doctor choice or relationship.
The government does control the fees that a doctor is allowed to charge.In return there is no malpractice legislation as we know it here.The government also controls the drug pricing policies.
Because most doctors have had their schooling paid for by the tax payers,there are no astronomic loans to pay back.
I could go on,but I think that you get the gist.
All in all,medical care in Europe costs only about 30% of what it costs here and the average expectancy of Western Europeans is a few years higher than that of the Average American.
When Europeans choose to go totally private,they have that choice,but very few choose to do so.
As far as high taxes are concerned.It is a two way street.People also get a much better return for their tax money ,like for instance free education and usually,there are far more checks and balances in place.

[colour=blue]Rolmops, Do you have any idea what the unemployment rates are in those countries that you admire sooooo much? How about the rate of growth of their GDPs over the last 20 years? Answer: They are in the toilet!! They don't pay for their national defence AT ALL, they look to us for defence, (at our expence BTW), n' knash their teeth n' whine when we take action to save their sorry butts. In fact, if you took all our troops out of Europe right after 1945 they would have fallen on their Socialist faces!! Think about how much of our national treasure paid for the families of our servicemen stationed there? Why do ya think they get six week paid vacations? They leave their old people in hot apartments to die while on vacation. When ya only work at half speed ya live longer, BTW. Be carefull of what ya wish for: Rolmops. Ya might get France! Where ya have ta hide at night while yer car is burning and the police are attacked, and yer affraid to put cartoons in the news paper! Not much here for ol' Murky to admire, but: I guess I'm real different then you in how I look at the world! Regards! JR[/colour]

Hello Mr Old merc.
An observation is not an opinion.As a matter of fact,I live here and not there.(The fishing here is better)
You are however wrong in the economic analysis of Europe.Looking at todays exchange rates between the Dollar and the Euro we see that it will cost you roughly $1.25 to buy a Euro today.Five years ago it cost a European 1.25 euro to buy a Dollar.That would imply that their economy is quite strong.
In Europe you will find synthesis called social democracy,it is far closer to the american system than it is to the russian communist system.