Holy mother of god

redfury

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I completely agree on a boating license, written and practical including launch and buoy situations.
 

reelfishin

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There needs to be a law that forbids a jetski from getting within say 250 feet or more of a full size boat. The penalty needs to be something like three strikes and you forfeit your ski.
I can't count the number of times one of them has either almost gotten run over or was circling around the boat while you try to fish. I have a buddy that was with us fishing on day, (he was always one of those guys that should have had gills), while on the river, there was a pair of skis running circles around our boat, a few choice words did nothing. The next thing we see is an arm pop out of the water and remove the skier from the ski, that same buddy then proceeded to climb on the ski and head off with it. He had slipped into the water and out beneath where the skis were circling and just waited for one to pass by. The skier was left swimming for the mud flats. The other skier ran off. We just left. After his having intentionally annoy us for nearly an hour, there was no sympathy left. We never bothered to find out what he did with the commandeered ski, but I doubt is was much good after he got done with it.
The skier probably and should have at least spent the night on the marsh, we didn't much care since he ruined our fishing and had followed us to several spots that day.

We were out another time and had the same thing happen, one guy laced up about a dozen treble hooks and a lead weight and proceeded to snag cast for a jet ski, it took the rider all of about one cast and part of his seat to realize that he had started something we were about to finish.

As far as wake jumpers that follow too close, we usually dump the chum bucket high in the wind, if that don't work a quick bail out of the throttle usually sobers them up pretty quick.

I have no patience or sympathy for anyone that can't respect another's right to be out there. There's plenty of places to ride those things and no reason to intentionally harass another boater. I've considered the flare gun trick, but never considered them worth the cost of the flare.

I did watch someone fire one into a balcony from which a bunch of drunks tossing paint filled balloons onto passing boaters during a late night boat parade years back one holiday weekend. It ended that problem in a hurry, and not a single person would dime out which boat it came from. The flare missed hitting any persons, but did blast right through the balcony door into the building. Two of the idiots jumped into the water, we just figured that the others were too drunk to react. I think the flare hit a barbecue grill or something, it made an awful noise when it landed up about three floors or so. It sounded like it hit metal and we could see the flare burning but couldn't see where it actually landed. All we knew was that they were too occupied with putting out the fire to continue tossing paint on the passing boaters.

Another incident that comes to mind was at a ramp in PA, I wasn't boating that day, but was nearby just watching the mayhem unfold one July 4th. I watched at three boats simultaneously aimed in reverse for the same two car ramp. There was a dock off to the right. The two to the left were alright, but number three didn't want to wait. He, with a jet ski on a trailer and a small front drive sports car decided that there was either enough room to the right of the middle boater and his truck and trailer, or he figured that the floating dock would work just fine. He proceeded to run as fast as he could backwards running the left wheel of his trailer onto the dock and out about 50 feet or so until the weight of the car on the dock tipped the whole trailer and ski sideways into the drink. The car was stuck, swamped with water, the ski popped up off the trailer and out from under the boat that was next to it. The idiot then began kicking the boat that his ski had hit and screaming at the guy who owned it as if it were his fault. That only resulted in what most likely was a visit to the hospital for the ski owner as the 300lb man with the boat slammed his fist into the skier about 5 or 6 times and proceeded to launch his boat and leave. I never heard if anything else ever came of it, but the idiot got what was coming to him. They towed the car, trailer and ski away and took him away in an ambulance. I really don't blame the boater one bit, and I don't think they made much of an effort to find him. I would have worried that someone would take revenge on my truck after I left, but I think he was pretty confident that he wasn't going to be able to.
 

CATransplant

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Yup, folks do annoying things on their jetskis and boats. We've all been annoyed by them.

Doing stuff to harm them in retaliation, though, is just plain stupid, in my opinion.

Stuff like dragging a guy off his ski and then stealing it? Illegal and could end up with the person doing that spending 30 days in the county slammer.

Shooting a flare gun into a cabin? I don't think so.

Yup, we all get annoyed. Most of us have probably annoyed someone ourselves, even if it's just anchoring and fishing where someone wants to blast around.

Sometimes, we have to just suck it up, I think. Doing things that can harm another person just doesn't cut it. That's my opinion.
 

RubberFrog

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The REAL solution to the issue is for boaters to unite and contact their legislators and demand stricter boating laws.
We already have plenty of laws on the water. Why do you think making new ones will change anything?
 

logartist

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We already have plenty of laws on the water. Why do you think making new ones will change anything?

I agree. Having freshly passed that safety course and becomming away, I am of the opinion that following and enforcing existing laws is the solution...come to think of it, that's true of lots of things...
 

jbjennings

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Just wanted to put my 2 cents worth in about your "fun" on the 4th--- I really get frustrated when people want the government to take care of all their problems and want to make a law against every negative thing they've ever encountered in their entire life. The folks that mentioned that they stayed off the water on "amateur day" was right on! We all know when the idiots come out of the woodwork. I also could tell that your initial holy mother of god story was all in fun and that you would never intentionally hurt any of those idiots. I enjoyed your story-- hopefully we'll do something about population control soon before we become like India and China and many other countries so we'll still have room to play and get away from the rude, lazy people who don't teach their children to be careful and to respect others on the water and in every other place. I'm absolutely certain that a license will do nothing to keep these kind of people off the water any more that it keeps them off the highway, it'll just cost the courteous, trustworthy people time and money and cause them even more contact with the DMV (where many of those uncaring, uncourteous people on jet skis probably make their living). Anyway, I liked your story and I too will remember to stay at home on the 4th. ;) Sorry in advance if I hurt the "legislator's" feelings.
JBJennings
 

freddyray21

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I understand the frustration at the jet ski's but before there were jet ski's there were boaters that didn't know any better or care. As far as pointing a flare gun. Point one at me and I will fire back. Those are not toys they are dangerous weapons.
 

KM2

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I like the flare gun and paint ball idea but it's probably illegal too. And if you caused the jerk to crash then I'm sure you're liable.

I think a camera, pen,paper and cell phone work well and wouldn't put you at risk. You will get several pics of them telling you that you're number 1, but they will be gone and not bother you. If they don't the pic's become evidence and the local law enforcement will be much more helpful.
 

logartist

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As far as pointing a flare gun. Point one at me and I will fire back. Those are not toys they are dangerous weapons.

Indeed...a woman was recently shot in my town by police when she pointed a flare gun at them in a stand-off. I'd almost rather be shot by a gun than a burning slug of phosphorous...I'd shoot back too.
 

CATransplant

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Well, I think a lot of this talk is just that...talk. I doubt most of these stories of people taking retribution on the jetskis and the like actually happened. More like wish fulfillment, I think.

I like the idea of the camera, though. If you can get the registration numbers on the boat and the photo clearly shows illegal behavior, you'll get a lot more attention from the lake patrol.

Still, if someone does something stupid like trying to swamp my little aluminum fishing boat, I always call the lake patrol and give them the registration number of the boat. In one case, I did see the patrol alongside one of these cretins after I called.

I don't know what happened, but bozos like that will keep doing their stupid stuff, so probably the lake patrol was just watching for them to do something else illegal so they could stop them.
 

reelfishin

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I tried a jet ski once, had some idiot run into me while still at the dock, the engine was off and all he could say was why didn't I move. It wasn't my ski, and it was one of those three person 1200 CC Yamahas. It tore off the rub rail ripped the seat, my life vest and cracked the hull bad enough to put the ski out of commission. The kid had no ID, no insurance and took off complaining that I had no sense of humor. No law in the world will fix ignorance or a bad attitude and there is no cure for stupidity.
There wasn't much I could do since my concern at that time was that a friends brand new ski had just been wrecked and was taking on water. That idiot had no boat numbers, and the ski was so beat up I couldn't even tell what make or size it was. He and his friends just buzzed away. They were rolling and diving their skis right off the end of the dock when that one bobbed under and came up in the oposite direction right into me. I didn't get hurt other than a bruise on my leg, but could have been easily caught between the dock and his ski. What I felt like doing was drowning the idiot. It's those type of riders that are the problem and there's no legislation or rules to stop them. The marine police can't be everywhere, and even if they were, what would they really be able to do to a minor? The hit did $600 worth of damage to my friends ski, I did the work so it would have been worse. The rub rail and new seat cost the most. The seat took all summer to get. That was back in '94 when this happened, there are more skis out there now, and more idiots. I had a guy last weekend ride up alongside my boat as I was loading it and 'beach" his ski on the concrete ramp less than 6" from me while I was winching up a boat. He ran up between me and the dock, with no more than an inch to spare. I didn't even see him till he hit the concrete. He complained to me that I was taking too long. I wasn't on the ramp for more than about half a minute total. He wasn't even pulling the ski out, he only ran to his car to get something. I guess the dock was too much trouble to use? If I had stepped back he'd have hit me. Incidents like that only reinforce my hatred of those things and most of their riders.
If I did that to someone, I'd expect to get hit with a tire iron or something. Does living in a civilized society mean we all have to turn into a bunch of wimps and turn the other cheek every time some idiot tries to walk all over you? I have no patience for those types, and I have had the local authorities tell me there's nothing they can do unless they see the actual incident. That means that nothing gets done, and the idiots will never learn.
 

woodrat

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it is not the jet ski's that are the problem it's the idiots.

True enough. Even a 10' jon boat piloted by an idiot can be a dangerous weapon, but the thing about jetskis is that they can go a LOT faster and get out of control much more quickly than the jon boat..

And the jetskis do seem to attract a much higher ratio of aggressive idiots. I have never been run down or harassed by a retired fellow in a duck boat..
 

freddyray21

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last year a place we go on the river has an island. People tend to beach on the island and party. Get drunk ect. A lot of the people pull tubers and skiers around the island as there is a big channel and you can get two boats side by side through it with room to spare. I am pulling a tuber coming around the island to where people beach. Guy in an OVERLOADED BOAT decides to run from the island over to the porta pottys by the ramp. Takes off full speed right in front of me. I barely missed him. He wasn't on a jet ski!
 

sankanother1

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{first post}Boaters do this too.I have owned a couple of jet boats in my time.One of the situations I was in when a 26' Formula(TALL BOAT)named madd hatter on the chain of lakes illinois could not catch my 86 Nordic 440 jetboat(VERY SHORT BOAT) at 80mph. When I had to slow down at no wake this son of a Bi7c# wakes my boat by not slowing down and buzzin three feet from my boat.He had the nerve to turn around and ask what engine I had in my boat.I stood up from my seat completely wet and with a foot of water in my boat and flipped him the bird.I had a hydraulic place diverter on my jet and could have easily chased him down for a roost in the face but I sucked it up LITERALLY and did not do anything stupid.I hear he lives on the chain. steer clear of this fool.This is just one of the many times I have been in situations like this,When you have a fast boat children of all ages have to try to prove something.These people will not make me put my boat back on the trailer.after owning as many money eating boats as I have the water still owes me.LOL
 

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jbjennings

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you have got to put this picture on the forum somewhere where everyone can see it---i haven't laughed this hard in a while--that lifting power truly is UNMATCHED!
thanks,
jbjennings
 

saumon

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That's a Scott fly rods ad from a couple years back. I like it so much that i even wrote them and asked for the poster, that they send to me (in 2' x 3' format).
 
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