Home/Office at Sea? (Noob Alert!)

skaag

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Me and my wife have this fantasy where we find a boat that is relatively cheap to maintain, will be warm enough to live in during the winter, and we will use it as our home for the next 5 to 6 years of our life, moving from place to place.

It doesn't have to be a fast boat, we're not into Water Sports except for diving where relevant, but we do work with computers, and our job allows us to work from any location on the planet, as long as we have an Internet Connection. (But with Inmarsat and VSAT, Internet is now rather easy to get out at sea).

The problem is that there are a huge number of boat manufacturers, many kinds of hulls, and I'm told it's very expensive to maintain a large boat (by large I mean we need a living room, bedroom, and office, and of course a shower and toilet).

I'm used to renting a house in capital cities, and paying around $1200/month for that, before bills and municipal taxes. Will maintaining a boat really be much more expensive than this? We're talking about staying docked at some Marina 90% of the time (moving between countries only every 3 to 4 month).
 

rbh

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Re: Home/Office at Sea? (Noob Alert!)

How far and how much time do you have to move the boat between jobs?
 

CaptNCamille

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Re: Home/Office at Sea? (Noob Alert!)

First, do you plan to buy the boat outright or finance it? The cost of buying a new boat, or even a used boat of the size you are looking for is substantial. Also you have to pay marina fees, and utilities. Fuel to move the boat around will add up rather quickly. Maintenance and repairs on a boat must be factored in. I presume that is nominal on a rented house or apartment. Bottom line, more than $1,200 a month? I would say so. But then you might be able to take a "home office deduction" on your income taxes.
 

skaag

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Re: Home/Office at Sea? (Noob Alert!)

I don't really have to move the boat at all, and the moving part is unrelated to the job. I mean the Job I'm doing is online, managing remote teams, and it's not related to the country where I am docked at the moment, other than Time Zone differences.

How about Solar power? I guess it is not yet at a point where it can really replace Diesel to move the boat around?

Maybe this whole dream is just going to remain a fantasy for now, at least until I manage to pull big money from one of the projects I'm working on.

Me and my wife are planning to work from various countries regardless of whether or not we get a boat, or an RV. The plan is to spend very little on housing/living, by living in relatively cheap villages, while we work on Internet Projects remotely. The work would happen 4 days out of 7, and we go on trips during those 3 days (kinda long weekends). We would move to a different area every 3 month or so, to discover new cultures and areas.
 

slasmith1

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The typical math is that you will spend 10% of the new boat value for maint., moorage, etc. per year for that type of boat usage. I don't live on my boat and own it outright and for a 32' twin engine boat I average $12,000-$15,000 per year on operating costs.
 

Knightgang

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If you have a house to sell and can buy the boat outright so that there is not a boat payment, then your plan might be feasible on your $1200per month rent payment... But that is only if you do not have to make a boat payment as well....
 

skaag

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Re: Home/Office at Sea? (Noob Alert!)

Thanks for your responses everybody, it makes a lot of sense so far, and is in line with answers I got from other people I have consulted with.

What kind of boat would you guys recommend, I know this is a bit of a tough question, but I believe you already understand the requirements, more or less.

I also know that buying cheap sometimes means paying a lot more in the long run. A boat could be "fixed" to look ok, but after a month of operating it, things would start to fail miserably, and I would have a dead fish in my hands. A friend of mine is a Chief Engineer, he's done a lot of maintenance on boats, and the stories I hear, some of them are nothing short of horror stories! It's just that some of the people who experience these stories are pretty well off as far as money goes, they can afford to spend to get a specialist to make the problem go away. I'm not in that position myself, and while I can ask for favors and get things fixed, I don't want to use those favors ;-)

Also I haven't gotten a response about using solar power to propel a ship. I take it this is not really at a feasible level yet.

Again thanks! :)
 

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Re: Home/Office at Sea? (Noob Alert!)

Also I haven't gotten a response about using solar power to propel a ship. I take it this is not really at a feasible level yet.

You're right about the solar power. A boat the size you're talking about will get about 1 MPG at best. A typical full-size automobile gets at least 20 MPG. So figure it takes about 20 times more power to move the boat than it does the automobile. How many solar-powered cars (of any size) have you seen lately?
 

180shabah

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1MPG would be for a planing hull. Displacement hulls are MUCH more efficient, although slower to move. They are also quieter and smoother while motoring. They also tend to ba a little roomier inside, they don't have to look fast even while docked.
 

QC

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They do make solar powered boats of that size . . . often referred to as a sailboat . . . :p :D

I would love to do what you are planning. Displacement hulls are definitley more efficient, but most things that move only 8 MPH are . . . ;)

Welcome aboard! FWIW at least you will usually get straight answers here, and those above seem that way to me. Good luck!!
 

Steve Mahler

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sounds like you would want a trawler, but if you are talking about ocean travel between countries, then i guess you need to add zeros to that budget, for a Nordhavn etc. In theory you can buy an old sedan bridge and live in it, esp if you dont run much and often...but still the marina fees can be steep.
 

slasmith1

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Re: Home/Office at Sea? (Noob Alert!)

You could live my dream that I can't afford check out the 65' pacific mariner.
 

skaag

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Re: Home/Office at Sea? (Noob Alert!)

What's a trawler? Can you give me examples?
 

Cptkid570

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1st, I want to tell you that I'm jealous. You and your wife's idea sounds awesome! The least expensive way to do what you want is with a sailboat, but you'd probably sacrifice some living space with it.

Trawler would be a good way to go. Single diesel engine would mean less # of motors to maintain, less gas usage...

Examples of Trawlers:

http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/boa/1494819325.html

http://anchorage.craigslist.org/boa/1493527724.html

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/boa/1493117444.html

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rds/boa/1473786785.html
 

skaag

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Re: Home/Office at Sea? (Noob Alert!)

I have to say some of these look awesome :)
So maintenance on those is also very high?
Assuming, again, that we don't much much?
 

NSBCraig

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a slow turning deisel has less maintenance so a trawler would be less maintenance, but any boat of a good size is gonna be work.
 

QC

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One of those trawlers was gas, and the maintenance statement is true until something breaks, then a slow turning diesel can cost tons . . . Some injection pumps for example could set you back more than a complete small block chevy.
 

Don S

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Having lived aboard for 15 years, I would suggest you do some checking locally to find out if it's even possible. There are so many restrictions on livaboards today that it makes it almost impossble to do. Let alone cheaply.
Between boat payments, insurance, slip fees, maintenance on the boat, electric, taxes and other things that may or may not be at your marina. You may find renting a NEW mega condo cheaper and a LOT more comfortable.
 

high'n'dry

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Re: Home/Office at Sea? (Noob Alert!)

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How about Solar power? I guess it is not yet at a point where it can really replace Diesel to move the boat around?
Of course, solar power has been in use for thousands of years, it is called a sailboat.
 

trendsetter240

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As mentioned above a sailboat is a great option for this. Actually, a sailboat is the only economical option if you want to travel.

A nice 36ft sail boat with a 30hp diesel inboard powerplant would be ideal for your purposes.


Regarding the solar powered boat: no, it's not possible yet.
 
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