Honda 115HP

[Peddler]

I have a 2003 Honda 115HP with 60 hours of service. This unit is mounted on a 25FT pontoon and has provided good service. I notice a small puff of oil smoke when starting the first time. After the initial startup no smoke is detected. The unit must sit overnight before the smoke occurs.<br />Is this a problem?<br />Thanks.

 

[outboardguy]

Re: Honda 115HP

You may want to trim the motor up a little before leaving it for the night.Being that the engine cylinders are in a horizontal position the oil that is sitting in the lower cylinder when shut off will seep through the rings overnight.By trimming it up the oil will flow back to the pan.

 

[Peddler]

Re: Honda 115HP

outboardguy,<br />Thanks for the input. Being mounted on a pontoon the normal trim is slightly negative. I will try and remember to raise the tilt when parking overnight.<br />Peddler

 

[jrod8v92ti]

Re: Honda 115HP

if that doesn't work valve seals are easy to replace as long as you can get the parts as honda no longer makes the 115/130 line because of the power head falure rate but I do belive that the new 135's have the same seal part #.

 

[Peddler]

Re: Honda 115HP

jrod8v92ti,<br />Where have you gotten the data supporting the power head failure of the 115/130?<br />Peddler

 

[rl29]

Re: Honda 115HP

jrod8v92ti, Yes where are you getting your info at. Now I just talked to my dealer here about my 130 and he didn't say anything about discontinuing the 115/130 motors. He said he looks for them to do something but nothing has been said. And as far as getting parts goes. I've ran honda motorcycles since back in the 70's and a matter of fact still have a 1985 750 shadow and have never had any problems getting anything for it. Not that I've every really needed anything. Very reliable. But with Honda's repetation I really kind of doubt that there not going to have parts for an engine that they discontinue. I think this is how rumors get started.<br />And peddler I got the 2003 130hp. And when I bought it my dealer told me to lift the motor up when it was going to be parked for any period of time because of the way everything sits. The oil would get by something and when you started it up it might smoke a little bit. I've always lifted it up and never had any problems. You'll love that 115 just like I love my 130. I'll be really surprised if it doesn't treat you well for many years and the same goes for my 130. Like I said earlier I've had four honda four 4stroke dirt bikes and 2 street bikes. Which the last street bike I still got. And they have been great machines. And believe me I wasn't easy on them. I use to say they're built like tanks. Might be a little heavier then the competition but they'll run and run. So Peddler enjoy.

 

[swnoel]

Re: Honda 115HP

Originally posted by jrod8v92ti:<br /> if that doesn't work valve seals are easy to replace as long as you can get the parts as honda no longer makes the 115/130 line because of the power head falure rate but I do belive that the new 135's have the same seal part #.

Bet cha he's a Merc.,Johnson/Evinrude dealer

 

[jrod8v92ti]

Re: Honda 115HP

No I'm not a merc johnson/evenrude or anybody dealer.<br />but<br /> I do have current service tech certifications on suzuki, yamaha and honda marine products with old certs(over 2 yrs old)from omc and merc.<br />-contact honda marine tech assistance and ask them to e-mail you info on bulging head gaskets.<br />-go online to honda tech talk and look up the tech notices <br />-call up marine mechanics institute of orlando fl. and ask to talk to one of the two honda factory certified instructors. <br />or <br />just call up your dealer and ask to see a 2004<br />honda 115/130 then watch how fast he puts the new 135 and 150vtech in front of you.<br /><br />i dont hate honda or anyone<br /> i'm just the mechanic <br />some i have to fix a little, some alot.<br /> they all eventually come to me.

 

[Peddler]

Re: Honda 115HP

jrod8v92ti,<br />Your last post does not include data. Only hearsay.<br />Peddler

 

[jetboater]

Re: Honda 115HP

I've got a new 2003 Honda 115 I just bought in May this year and love it (second Honda outboard (plus 3 Honda cars and a Honda lawnmower))<br />According to the boating magazines (Trailer Boats I think I read it in) Honda's slated to come out with a new smaller engine block they'll use for the replacement for the 75,90 and 115 motors (the new 135 is to replace the 130). 115s and 130s are still available and will be until the newer smaller block is ready (a year or two away) Watch European Honda to see when they'll be ready--the 135/150s were on sale over there a year and a half before they were brought here this year. <br />The 115 is a great motor (and I got a great deal on a new "leftover" 2003) but if you're looking at a 130 or 135, the 135 is smaller in size and weighs less than the 130 (but it cost more--especially if you can find a closeout).

 

[jrod8v92ti]

Re: Honda 115HP

here's your data<br /><br />HONDA MARINE SERVICE BULLETIN<br />#27 DATED SEPT 2001<br />HondaNet users:TEMPLATE NUMBER:599<br />DEFECT CODE:599<br />LABOR OPERATION NUMBER:110102FLAT RATE TIME:7.5<br />FAILED PART:12000-ZW5-000ZA<br /><br />model frame ser #<br />BF115 BZBD-1000001~1200270<br />BF115 BZBG-1000001~1200000<br />BF130 BZBE-1000001~1201321<br />BF130 BZBH-1000001~1200180<br /><br />for further information on this subject contact honda marine techline and/or your district service managers.

 

[Peddler]

Re: Honda 115HP

That information is old and Honda actually replaced powerheads if unit was effected. My unit is beyond the serial number range.<br />Peddler

 

[jrod8v92ti]

Re: Honda 115HP

That was the first, <br />brief messages kept coming as powerheads and ecm's were investigated and info was relayed between from service managers and company product tech's in japan. Keep in mind the engines we used were put to extreams and to date most(late 02 and 03) make it to the 5,000 hour mark and if they dont its because routine maintenance was not done correctly or somthing drastic happened. (engine destroyed as result of impact.) we haven't had one make it to the holy grail 6,000hrs but were still trying. <br />I never implied that if you bought honda it was going to blow up, but three seperate times they(honda america) ran out of replacement power heads so I dont think we(where I work at) were the only ones that had problems. <br />Will your engine ever see 5000 hard hrs, probably not, can it, yes.<br />they by far outperformed the omc and merc product that were previously used. <br />we havent been able to expose the fuel injected 4-stroke yamaha or suzuki product to as many hours but we are still trying.<br />I dont think the Honda BF90 and 225VTEC (WHEN TAKEN CARE OF) can be broken.<br /> <br />this horse is dead if you want more info on it <br />go to your nearest dealer and ask for the <br /> phone #<br /> e-mail <br />of your district service manager and ask him

 

[Hawaiian]

Re: Honda 115HP

jrod8v92ti, interestind data. Can you elaborate on this testing you are referring to? How are these hours performed and why is 6000 the benchmark?

 

[jrod8v92ti]

Re: Honda 115HP

4 boats in water at all times with 2 in operation at all times 352 days a year. during the course of a 8 hr shift it might get shut down for 1 hr max and yes the boats get rotated.<br />normal operation includes mostly 1500-2300rpm cruzing with the begining and end shift sprints<br /> that it seems, they all have to do.<br /> along with breaking side windows(havent been able to figure out how they do it yet.)<br /><br />6000 hrs started as a shop joke there in hawaii <br /> when the hpdi first came out in the market pirate dave (your omc area service rep)was showing me a engine that he had just rigged and less than a week later the owner had bounced on some rocks and sunk the boat enough to flood the engine. he threw it out as a joke that some day a outboard would last that long.<br /> since then whenever i've gone to a school and the question of durability comes up, i and people i've worked with always ask if it can last 6000 hrs.<br /> some say their product can do it, some say take a picture of it and send it to them if thier product does it.<br />i have no knoledge of a outboard doing it yet but i think the time is coming soon. <br />6000 hrs for normal consumer use is a long time if ever.

 

[Peddler]

Re: Honda 115HP

Outboardguy,<br />Just returned from a week on the lake and used your suggestion of trimming the engine overnight to prevent any oil draining towards the plugs. The first start every morning did NOT produce any smoke.(thank you)<br /><br />I visited my dealer while at the lake and they just returned from a convention and order placing for the next season. They advised that they are ordering only Honda engines because of the performance and reliability. Including 115HP and 135HP which have the same block which is the same as the 2003 115HP unit<br />Peddler

 

[jetboater]

Re: Honda 115HP

slight correction---the Honda 130 and the 115 are based on the same block--the new 135 is the same block as the new 150 (block is the same but the 150 has the VTEC varible valve system)

 

[Peddler]

Re: Honda 115HP

jetboater<br />I stand corrected, the Honda web site totally supports your response.<br />Peddler