House Electric Question

--GQ--

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Ok I tried not to butt in, but I feel like a kid in a candy store. Once i see the lolly pop I will never make it out the door. I will keep it short like the one Daisy Duke use to wear......<br /><br />A neutral has a CURRENT CARRYING POTIENTIAL which means if the circuit is being used, current id present on that neutral and hazardous to your health. A ground on the other hand has NO CURRENT CARRYING POTIENTIAL and should not which means NO CURRENT shall be present at any time any wether conditions through out the 4 seasons. Even when the cows come home.<br /><br />Fellow man by splicing a ground wire to a neutral wire, you are introducing CURRENT CARRYING POTIENTIAL throughout the length of that wire and whatever CONDUCTIVE objects connected/touching it. Granted the whole house has many points of good grounding, but if that wire ever damage break loose the remaining portion still connected to the neutral is HOT. See pictoral below.<br /><br />
hotplug.jpg
 

divo

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Re: House Electric Question

Originally posted by --GQ--:<br /> Ok I tried not to butt in, but I feel like a kid in a candy store. Once i see the lolly pop I will never make it out the door. I will keep it short like the one Daisy Duke use to wear......<br /><br />A neutral has a CURRENT CARRYING POTIENTIAL which means if the circuit is being used, current id present on that neutral and hazardous to your health. A ground on the other hand has NO CURRENT CARRYING POTIENTIAL and should not which means NO CURRENT shall be present at any time any wether conditions through out the 4 seasons. Even when the cows come home.<br /><br />Fellow man by splicing a ground wire to a neutral wire, you are introducing CURRENT CARRYING POTIENTIAL throughout the length of that wire and whatever CONDUCTIVE objects connected/touching it. Granted the whole house has many points of good grounding, but if that wire ever damage break loose the remaining portion still connected to the neutral is HOT. See pictoral below.<br /><br />
hotplug.jpg
Even if the wire in question isnt broken, the hazard still exists. That ground screw he connected to is directly connected to the exposed metal cover screw and the metal strap of the outlet, which is screwed to the metal box. When anything is plugged into that outlet and used, the box becomes energized with the neutral current. also if it is a metal clad cable or conduit thats not properly grounded. The siding example above is a perfect example. When the said outlet wasnt in use...everything was fine. as soon as something was plugged in and turned on, it was energized. The siding never touched the ground, or was in contact with anything grounded( water pipes, other electrical equipment, metal venting, ect). When someone touched the siding while outlet was in use..zap, they completed the circuit.
 

SlowlySinking

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Re: House Electric Question

Wow, what a range of comments and help, thanks to all who took the time to respond. I found the answer on the web. However I don't need and have removed the jumper wire since the duplex receptable automatically connects the green screw terminal to the metal and already grounded box when I tightened the screws during installation. The following link shows it in figure 107. The second choice would have been the GFCI. The good news is I now have 3 wire outlets and no longer have to use adapters.<br />Ken<br /><br /> http://www.codecheck.com/250_50_commentary.html#2prong
 

divo

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I am glad you removed it. Now what does the plug tester show when you plug it in to the new outlet?
 

Johnshan1

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Thats fine if your box is grounded. Do you know that the box is actually grounded? In other words, did you do a test? Also did you remove the little square backer on the device screw that aids in holding the screw to the device plate during installation?<br /><br />-John
 

SlowlySinking

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Hi Johnshan1, I checked and the box is grounded, I get full line voltage from the black conductor to the box and I did remove one of the fiber washers to get a good solid ground. <br /><br />Hi divo, the tester shows 2 green lights and no faults. <br /><br />again, thanks to all and especially for the sincere concern, it's nice to know that you care so much about a total stranger, <br /><br />good night, it's 10:37 PM eastern time, Merry Christmas.
 

Johnshan1

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Awesome, sounds like your all set :) Merry Christmas
 

crab bait

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shoulda said that while back.. <br /><br />if your box is grounded ,,that great.. <br /><br />to do the job right ,, put in a 10-32 green ground screw in the back-o-box..wrap a hook bend bare wire #12 copper around screw an tighten... then attach the wire to the ground term on receptical.. <br /><br />hardware store sells these pigtails already made up.. <br /><br />if'n your boxes have no tapped/threaded 10-32 holes,, use a self-tapper screw instead..
 

SlowlySinking

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thanks guys, I'll take care of the green pigtail to ensure a proper ground,
 

craze1cars

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Re: House Electric Question

I now retract my previous sarcastic (and rather cruel) criticism. Yes STL, as Bondo pointed out, I was indeed talking about SlowlySinking, not you at all.<br /><br />And SlowlySinking, my hat's off to you for continuing to follow through in researching for proper advice, and doing the right thing in the end to correct a hazard.
 
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