How a carb, works !

chiefalen

Captain
Joined
May 18, 2008
Messages
3,598
What does a carburetor do?

The carburetor has several functions: 1) it combines gasoline and air creating a highly combustible mixture, 2) it regulates the ratio of air and fuel, and 3) it controls the engine's speed.
How a carburetor mixes fuel and air

When the piston moves down the cylinder on the intake stroke it draws air from the cylinder and intake manifold. A vacuum is created that draws air from the carburetor. The airflow through the carburetor causes fuel to be drawn from the carburetor through the intake manifold past the intake valves and into the cylinder. The amount of fuel mixed into the air to obtain the required air to fuel ratio is controlled by the venturi or choke. When air flows through the venturi its speed increases and the pressure drops. This causes the fuel to be sucked into the air stream from a hole or jet. When the engine is at idle or at rapid acceleration there is not enough air passing through the venturi to draw fuel. To overcome these problems other systems are used.
Delivering gasoline to the carburetor

Gasoline is delivered to the carburetor by the fuel pump and is stored in the fuel bowl. To keep this level of fuel stored in the bowl constant under all conditions a float system is used. A float operated needle valve and seat at the fuel inlet is used to control the fuel level in the bowl. If the fuel level drops below a certain level the float lowers and opens the valve letting more fuel in. When the float rises it pushes the inlet valve against the seat and shuts off the flow of fuel into the bowl.

Controlling the speed of the engine

The throttle controls the speed of the engine by controlling the amount of air fuel allowed in the engine. The throttle is a butterfly valve located after the venturi and is opened by pressing on the gas pedal. The farther the valve is opened the more air/fuel mixture is let into the engine and the faster the engine runs. At low engine speeds when the throttle is only open a little there is not enough air flow to pull in fuel.
Ports

Two ports are used to solve this problem. One port located in the low pressure area and the idle port located below. At low engine speeds both ports draw fuel to keep the engine running. As engine speed increases fuel from the 2 ports decreases until it stops completely.
Handling low speeds

When the engine is idle there is very little air flowing through the venturi because the throttle valve is closed. The idle port allows the engine to operate under this condition. Fuel is forced through the idle port because of a pressure differential between air in the fuel bowl and vacuum below the throttle valve. Idle fuel mixture is controlled by an adjustable needle valve.
Handling high speeds

At higher engine speeds more fuel is drawn from the main nozzle. Fuel comes from the fuel bowl through the fuel nozzle and into the throat of the carburetor where it mixes with air.
Types of carburetors

There are 3 basic types of carburetors in use today. They are the one barrel, two barrel, and four barrel. Typically, the type of engine and its use will dictate which carburetor is used. In high performance engines multiple carburetors may be used to deliver the amount of fuel required. No matter what type of carburetor your engine uses.

The carburetor under high engine load

Higher engine loads demand more fuel. The carburetor handles this by increasing the amount of fuel through the power valve controlled by the intake manifold vacuum. Manifold vacuum travels from the base of the carburetor to the power valve through a passage. The manifold vacuum under normal running conditions holds the valve closed because the vacuum is at its greatest. As the engine load is increased the vacuum drops and the power valve starts to open. The valve will be completely opened when the engine is under a heavy load resulting in very low vacuum.
The carburetor during engine acceleration

When an engine initially accelerates the balance of air and fuel is thrown off balance because fuel is heavier than air. This results in more air than fuel, an overly lean mixture. To solve this, the accelerator pump is used to supply more fuel to the engine. This maintains the balance until the fuel air ratio reaches proper levels. The accelerator pump is operated by a linkage and does not rely on vacuum to operate.

The carburetor under cold engine starting conditions

Cold engine starting uses more fuel because the fuel is not fully vaporized due to less air in the carburetor. To increase the amount of fuel during starting the choke plate is used. When the choke plate is closed the vacuum in the carburetor increases and pulls more fuel from the fuel nozzle and both the idle ports. The choke is usually thermostatically controlled but can be controlled manually. Once the engine gets started the amount of extra gas for starting needs to reduced. This is done by using the vacuum in the intake manifold, which pulls the choke partially opened to stop too much gas from flowing in the engine and allowing more air flow while the engine starts. As the engine warms up the thermostat control of the carburetor opens the plate until the engine reaches normal temperature. At normal running engine temperature, the plate will be fully open.

National Carburetors, Inc.
 
Last edited:

JustJason

Vice Admiral
Joined
Aug 27, 2007
Messages
5,321
Re: How a Mercarb Works

Re: How a Mercarb Works

Oh boy.... where do i start.

When the piston moves down the cylinder on the intake stroke it draws air from the cylinder and intake manifold.

Wrong.

A vacuum is created that draws air from the carburetor.

Nope.... do you know what the technical definition of a vacuum is?

The airflow through the carburetor causes fuel to be drawn from the carburetor through the intake manifold past the intake valves and into the cylinder.

Again... fuel is not drawn... it's pushed.

The amount of fuel mixed into the air to obtain the required air to fuel ratio is controlled by the venturi or choke.

Nope again.... ever hear of a main jet, an air jet, a pilot jet? adjustable jet? jets jets jets???

When air flows through the venturi its speed increases and the pressure drops.

That's about the only thing thats true.

This causes the fuel to be sucked into the air stream from a hole or jet.

Is hole a technical term for discharge nozzle? Idle port... off idle port???

When the engine is at idle or at rapid acceleration there is not enough air passing through the venturi to draw fuel. to overcome these problems other systems are used.

So what your saying is my idleing engine doesn't "suck" enough air to "suck" some fuel???? What's pouring fuel into the engine then at idle speeds??? The mouse in the wheel???

I'm not even going to go on... as what you plagurized is 99% incorrect to start with.

All Aboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1272549006_294f713d3c.jpg
 

Don S

Honorary Moderator Emeritus
Joined
Aug 31, 2004
Messages
62,321
Re: How a carb, works !

This is what happens when you do a copy and past of someone elses work, without knowing if the information is right or wrong.
Look at the link Fishermark posted, that is where this info came from.
Lesson to be learned. If you are going to post a how to on something, at least make sure your info is correct and verifiable (if you want to C&P and not give the original credit).
 

JustJason

Vice Admiral
Joined
Aug 27, 2007
Messages
5,321
Re: How a carb, works !

If i get some time later i'll write up a "how to" on I/O carbs. Just to cover the basics... The Rochestors, the Mercarbs, the Holleys. I'm not going to get into some of the older volvo carbs as that will just confuse the heck out of everybody.
 

chiefalen

Captain
Joined
May 18, 2008
Messages
3,598
Re: How a carb, works !

So Jason guess your gonna get what you want after all. A reply from me direct to you.

You saying, i was plagiarizing , when i copied and pasted the post and the bottom last sentence didn't copy.

I edited the post when you so eloquently pointed out my mistake.

But you know more then a company that builds and sells carbs all over the world.

Don s wrote.
"This is what happens when you do a copy and past of someone elses work, without knowing if the information is right or wrong.
Look at the link Fishermark posted, that is where this info came from.
Lesson to be learned. If you are going to post a how to on something, at least make sure your info is correct and verifiable (if you want to C&P and not give the original credit)."

So don still trying to provoke people into a response so you can boot them.

I won't be provoked here, but your invited to keep trying.

As stated i copied and pasted in a edit to my original post the last sentence .

Thank you all for pointing it out to me.

Here is a link to the company that has been in business from 1954 but they don't know nothing about carbs., never knew anything about carbs, and will never know, anything about carbs.

http://www.nationalcarburetors.com/index.htm
 

JustJason

Vice Admiral
Joined
Aug 27, 2007
Messages
5,321
Re: How a carb, works !

Listen Chief...

This isn't about who is pointing out whose mistakes, and who is provoking whom.

This is about getting the correct information out there for the benefit of boaters... period. Think of it as a mechanics contribution to the industry, as the industry seldom hears about the mechanics side of things.

This is a hobby for folks like Don, Bill, A few others and myself. We are by no means obilagated to share our common knowledge and experiences. Not a single one of us know everything there is to know about everything... and we do in fact know that as well.

As for this company... I don't know them from a hole in the wall. Being in the carb biz since `54 doesn't mean anything to me. Heck... i have a guy down the street that has been running an auto repair business for 30+ years. I've talked to him a few times and I wouldn't let the guy work on my weed wacker. Either way, that article they wrote, that you copied... has more falsehoods than truths in it.

I do wonder if Fishermark hadn't pointed it out, if you would have come clean about the ole copy & paste.

Listen Chief... i think you are a good guy. And I think that you are a positive influence on this community. But I also think that you are a little over eager to participate sometimes, and jump the gun a little to quickly sometimes.
I've posted some things that were out there in left field before... some WAG's... but this thread takes the cake.

Again... the whole point of this community is getting the correct information out there. If you don't have correct info... or an educated WAG... then whatever you write hurts more than it helps.

PS... A70eliminator wasn't close either. There is no such thing as negative pressure. There is 0 psi (or 0 bar... if you want a finer scale) That would be zero pressure. Then there is 14.6ish'psi... earths atmosphereic pressure at sea level on a pretty day. You can have less than 14.6ish... as on the inside of an intake manifold at idle..... but you can never have less than Zero psi.

This is why you are getting confused.... everyone thinks "vacuum cleaner" and how vacuum cleaners "suck". Vacuum cleaners do nothing more than generate an area of pressure that is less then the 14.6 inside of it's plumbing... When it does the outside atmoshperic pressure rushes in to fill that less than 14.6psi... creating the phenomenon of the "sucking" action. The sucking is nothing more than outside pressure rushing in.

The true definition of vacuum is nothingness.... a void..... an absence of all matter.
The truth is... there is no such thing as a vacuum.... because there is always a little something in the biggest of nothings.
 

dufferb

Cadet
Joined
Sep 26, 2008
Messages
12
Re: How a carb, works !

huh, wonder if there's any other words with two u's together like that?
VacUUm, learn sompin everyday.
 

fishrdan

Admiral
Joined
Jan 25, 2008
Messages
6,989
Re: How a carb, works !

wonder if there's any other words with two u's together like that?

* carduus
* carduuses
* continuum
* continuums
* duumvir
* duumviral
* duumvirate
* duumvirates
* duumviri
* duumvirs
* individuum
* individuums
* lituus
* lituuses
* menstruum
* menstruums
* mutuum
* mutuums
* muumuu
* muumuus
* paramenstruum
* paramenstruums
* residuum
* residuums
* squush
* squushed
* squushes
* squushier
* squushiest
* squushing
* squushy
* triduum
* triduums
* ultravacuum
* ultravacuums
* vacuum
* vacuumed
* vacuuming
* vacuums
* weltanschauung
* weltanschauungen
* weltanschauungs

And yes,,, I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night :D
 

Docknocker

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Dec 20, 2006
Messages
180
Re: How a carb, works !

Thread reminds me of the "Airplane taking off from a conveyor belt" thread a few years back...
 

chiefalen

Captain
Joined
May 18, 2008
Messages
3,598
Re: How a carb, works !

Keep it coming Jason vent your anger get it all out. If it will make you feel better.
 

a70eliminator

Captain
Joined
Sep 9, 2007
Messages
3,762
Re: How a carb, works !

You know, when I first looked at this post about how a carb works I thought it was going to be a witty riddle of some sort, then I opened the thread and bla bla bla bla bla... there's a million writeups just like that one, I could spend all day reading though no two are alike.
What I really like is when you guys post situations that arise while rebuilding carbs, little tricks, things you've tried,what works and what doesn't, remedies and solutions, cosmetics, stuff you wouldn't read in a book.
 

mylesm260

Chief Petty Officer
Joined
Sep 13, 2007
Messages
444
Re: How a carb, works !

Ya, explaining how a carb works is a little redundant at this point.
I'm pretty sure anyone in this forum would already have a basic understanding of the simplistic operation of a carb. If they DIDn't understand that, then they would probably be paying some dealership to fix their boat and not bother comming into this forum.

If you understand how the venturi effect works, than a carb is pretty simple. IF anyone wants a visual of whats going on inside a carb, go get one of those high flow air nozzels (With holes to draw more are in) you stick on the end of an air line (attached to an air compressor) and blow stuff with. Other examples of the venturi effect is stuff like propane blow torches and BBQ's.

Fuel is drawn into the air stream via the venturi effect, unless the choke is closed, in which case it's drawn in by manifold vacume and the venturi effect.



All the other crap on the carb is to control air flow and A/F ratios at different RPMs and at different engine loads, etc ect ect.... The more complicated carbs get, the more likely they are to run like crap as they age.

EFI makes carbs sooo completely obsolete, it's not even funny.

Who wants to waste their time bending some rod, or turning some screw, and listning and guessing if it makes their boat/car run better, when you can have sensors measure absolute vaules, and have computers calculate exactly the right amount of fuel and timming to have.


And no carb can ever have the dynamic range of EFI. EFI can correct properly for such factors as engine temp (infinitly variable), air temperature, atmosphereic pressure (altitude), fuel quality (knock sensors) and many many others.

All a carb can really do is close a choke valve, or play with two jets and two throttle plates and have a bunch of vacume actuated analoge crap to try and figure it all out.

Yes, it IS posible to tune a carb to make similar power and burn similar amounts of fuel for one specific situation, but change some of the variables, and the EFI system will adapt, and the carb will not.

Multipoint EFI has other advantages over carbs as well, such as better fuel atomization, more consistant fuel to each cylinder, and less time for the A/R ratio to seporate.

Adding the fuel at one centeral location (carb) and then splitting it up in non equal length runners (manifolds) results in poorly mixed air/fuel, and uneven amounts of fuel going to each cylinder.
 

a70eliminator

Captain
Joined
Sep 9, 2007
Messages
3,762
Re: How a carb, works !

Listen Chief...

This isn't about who is pointing out whose mistakes, and who is provoking whom.

This is about getting the correct information out there for the benefit of boaters... period. Think of it as a mechanics contribution to the industry, as the industry seldom hears about the mechanics side of things.

This is a hobby for folks like Don, Bill, A few others and myself. We are by no means obilagated to share our common knowledge and experiences. Not a single one of us know everything there is to know about everything... and we do in fact know that as well.

As for this company... I don't know them from a hole in the wall. Being in the carb biz since `54 doesn't mean anything to me. Heck... i have a guy down the street that has been running an auto repair business for 30+ years. I've talked to him a few times and I wouldn't let the guy work on my weed wacker. Either way, that article they wrote, that you copied... has more falsehoods than truths in it.

I do wonder if Fishermark hadn't pointed it out, if you would have come clean about the ole copy & paste.

Listen Chief... i think you are a good guy. And I think that you are a positive influence on this community. But I also think that you are a little over eager to participate sometimes, and jump the gun a little to quickly sometimes.
I've posted some things that were out there in left field before... some WAG's... but this thread takes the cake.

Again... the whole point of this community is getting the correct information out there. If you don't have correct info... or an educated WAG... then whatever you write hurts more than it helps.

PS... A70eliminator wasn't close either. There is no such thing as negative pressure. There is 0 psi (or 0 bar... if you want a finer scale) That would be zero pressure. Then there is 14.6ish'psi... earths atmosphereic pressure at sea level on a pretty day. You can have less than 14.6ish... as on the inside of an intake manifold at idle..... but you can never have less than Zero psi.

This is why you are getting confused.... everyone thinks "vacuum cleaner" and how vacuum cleaners "suck". Vacuum cleaners do nothing more than generate an area of pressure that is less then the 14.6 inside of it's plumbing... When it does the outside atmoshperic pressure rushes in to fill that less than 14.6psi... creating the phenomenon of the "sucking" action. The sucking is nothing more than outside pressure rushing in.

The true definition of vacuum is nothingness.... a void..... an absence of all matter.
The truth is... there is no such thing as a vacuum.... because there is always a little something in the biggest of nothings.

.......................................

PS... A70eliminator wasn't close either. There is no such thing as negative pressure. There is 0 psi (or 0 bar... if you want a finer scale) That would be zero pressure. Then there is 14.6ish'psi... earths atmosphereic pressure at sea level on a pretty day. You can have less than 14.6ish... as on the inside of an intake manifold at idle..... but you can never have less than Zero psi.


that is
(psia) wrong
but I'm not getting into it with you here.
 

rodbolt

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Sep 1, 2003
Messages
20,066
Re: How a carb, works !

now tell us why when you suck coke from a straw why does it really move up the straw and into your mouth? a hint, vacum really doest play in this game.
its also why astronauts dont use straws in a zero pressure atmosphere.

however here on earth we have this wonderful colum of air about 14 miles high.
normal atmosphrifc pressure at normal sealevel is about 14.7 PSI.

now we are gonna look at your normal down draft carb.
the fuel in the bowl before the engine turns over has an air space above it at say 14 PSI(slightly less for you moutain men).
now we spin the engine, piston goes down and the intake valve is open.
something now has to fill the void of the piston dropping, air pressure really really wants to but them stupid carb circuits full of fuel stand in the way.
fuel,like most all other liquids cannot be compressed but it can flow.
so the 14 PSI sitting on the fuel in the bowl starts pushing it through the circuits into the intake tract.

the rest is simple.
not all gas engines use a venturi and not all use a throttle plate but ALL rely on atmospheric pressure.
 

Maclin

Admiral
Joined
May 27, 2007
Messages
6,761
Re: How a carb, works !

The main thing to understand about a carb is what en engine wants under what circumstances and what parts of the carb address that and change mechanically for those conditions. Idle, cruise, power enrichment for acceleration, crap like that. Then when tuning or when there is a symptom during one or more of those conditions you know what part(s) of the carb may need adjusting or cleaning/rebuild.
 
Top