How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

FlaLuthier

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I have read enough about broken bolts to be a bit nervous about rebuilding my water pump. What, if any, tips, tricks or prayers do y'all have to lessen the chance of breaking them off in the housing? I have an '82 105 Chrysler that's been run in the salt some. Its not all corroded up on the exterior but who knows. Also I don't think it's ever been apart or at least not for a VERY long time.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Mike in SW Florida,
 

artic-z

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Re: How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

generally when i remove rusted bolts i like to give them a good soaking in some liquid wrench or wd-40, after i throughly wet them ill grab my impact hammer with a very dull or flat bit and give him a couple impact hits to loosen up any rust or corrosion, then wet them down again, then sometimes i use a torque wrench set on a low setting that i know wont break the bolt head off... thats just how i do it...
 

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Re: How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

If you think rust/corrosion will be a problem, try getting yourself a can of PB Blaster. This is the best stuff I've ever used. Soak them down, let them set for and hour or so, then soak them again. Also, try to use the shortest ratchet you can use but still loosen them with. When you use one with a handle that's long, you run the risk of using too much torque and braeking the bolts in half. Good Luck.
 

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Re: How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

Thanks Guys! I have lived and died with PB blaster for years but I guess I was hoping for some "Post Millennial Wonder Cure" in a jug but . . . good ole PBB it is!!! I'll also have the "Ohio Blue Tip" wrench standing by just in case! LoL


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Re: How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

I'll also have the "Ohio Blue Tip" wrench standing by just in case! LoL M

That's not as funny as you think. Heating a nut or a bolt then spraying it with PB Blaster increases the capillary action and it penetrates much quicker. I don't know if the area that you are working on can stand the heat, but on iron stuff the technique works well.
 

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Re: How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

That heating process does not work so well on magnesium or aluminium. The aluminium melts at a much lower rate so not only can you "warp" the **** out of things, you could also melt it. If there is magnesium present, if it gets hot enough it will actually burn on it's own and is hard to put out. Use to burn alot of Volkswagen air cooled blocks for camping. Get them going and they would burn intense for hours.
Also, you heat the aluminium around a steel bolt, the aluminium is much softer and will actually bind on the threads of the bolt more. Speaking from lots of experience and many broken bolts.
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

Most of the problems will be with the pump housing bolts and the hidden bolt inside the exhaust snout. The six external bolts usuallu come out all right. If you should strip them, they can be re-tapped to 3/8 inch and you can cut down some bolts to length. You will need to drill the case a hair over 3/8 though. Propane will not melt aluminum. Heat and cool several times to shock corrosion. Also steady pressure will exceed the bolt strength and twist them off. Use a hand imact wrench with lighter hammer blows, or a regular 7/16 or 3/8 wrench (Whichever heads you have) with your thumb on the box to hold it on the bolt head and strike it with the heel of your hand a couple of times--ouch! This shocks the bolt a little at a time. Sometimes, they gall after you start them turning. So if you can get it to move at all, then rock it back and forth--each time going 1/8 turn or so further until it is loose enough that you know you won't twist it off.

Be aware that our friend heat may melt the seals so they would need to be replaced--but you were going to do that anyway--Right?

Also be aware that if the threads strip, three of the holes can be tapped deeper--actually all the way through the leg. The fourth hole is over the vent screw and can only be tapped about an inch deep. Murphy's Law--Guess which one will strip.

The three bolts tend to twist off at the top of the pump housing because the housing corrodes and grabs them tight. The one that gives the most trouble is the bolt over the vent screw--It twists off close to the lower unit casting. So you need to be most careful with this one. If any of them twist off and you can pry off the pump housing, then it is Vise-Grips and PB blaster time. If that doesn't work then it is drill and Heli-coil--but there is just enough meat there for it so that is a last resort.
 
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FlaLuthier

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Re: How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

Well more thanks to y'all! I'll heed all this sage advice and keep a finger or two crossed too. :)


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Re: How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

That's not as funny as you think. Heating a nut or a bolt then spraying it with PB Blaster increases the capillary action and it penetrates much quicker. I don't know if the area that you are working on can stand the heat, but on iron stuff the technique works well.

i have found sea foam deep creep to work awsome with heat.
 

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Re: How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

Most of the problems will be with the pump housing bolts and the hidden bolt inside the exhaust snout. The six external bolts usuallu come out all right. If you should strip them, they can be re-tapped to 3/8 inch and you can cut down some bolts to length. You will need to drill the case a hair over 3/8 though. Propane will not melt aluminum. Heat and cool several times to shock corrosion. Also steady pressure will exceed the bolt strength and twist them off. Use a hand imact wrench with lighter hammer blows, or a regular 7/16 or 3/8 wrench (Whichever heads you have) with your thumb on the box to hold it on the bolt head and strike it with the heel of your hand a couple of times--ouch! This shocks the bolt a little at a time. Sometimes, they gall after you start them turning. So if you can get it to move at all, then rock it back and forth--each time going 1/8 turn or so further until it is loose enough that you know you won't twist it off.

Be aware that our friend heat may melt the seals so they would need to be replaced--but you were going to do that anyway--Right?

Also be aware that if the threads strip, three of the holes can be tapped deeper--actually all the way through the leg. The fourth hole is over the vent screw and can only be tapped about an inch deep. Murphy's Law--Guess which one will strip.

The three bolts tend to twist off at the top of the pump housing because the housing corrodes and grabs them tight. The one that gives the most trouble is the bolt over the vent screw--It twists off close to the lower unit casting. So you need to be most careful with this one. If any of them twist off and you can pry off the pump housing, then it is Vise-Grips and PB blaster time. If that doesn't work then it is drill and Heli-coil--but there is just enough meat there for it so that is a last resort.
Frank, my compiments on an excellent reply!:cool:
 

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Re: How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

Late at night when I replied, Don't get enough sleep. Thought he wrote 72 Chrysler. I believe 82 is a one piece lower unit. Most of what I wrote applies. However on the one piece lower unit, you can not tap far enough to go through the case. But, you can drill and tap all four pump bolt holes way deeper if necessary.
 

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Re: How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

What is the rule for anti-seize on these bolts during reassembly? Are there different concerns for any bolt that is submerged? When or when not to use anti-seize has always been a question for me when doing engine work.

Thanks
 

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Re: How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

ANTI-SEEZE GOOD! Just use sealer on bolts that go through into any water jacket for the cooling system to avoid leaks. Not sure on your engine if any do or not, that's just basic rule of thumb. Steel into aluminium is kinda a bad mix, so you definitely want to use anti-seeze on the threads in that situation. Steel into steel, you can usually just use a light oil to lubricate the threads so you can get a more accurate torque reading.
 

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Re: How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

The recommended type of anti seize is zinc. There are others available as well but this works best for steel against aluminum
 

byacey

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Re: How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

Have you tried simply loosening them? Maybe thety aren't seized and will thread out nicely.
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: How do I prep lower unit bolts for removal?

Yuk-Yuk! LOL! --Not seized! Yuk-Yuk! I don't know about you, but my life isn't that easy. Everything always fights me. Have you ever heard of a guy named Murphy? He formulated his laws when he found out his mother and father were not married.

At any rate, we're just giving hints as to things to try IF any of the bolts are seized.
 
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