How do I quit drinking

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mars bar

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Well here I am again, drunk. It seems ever since I lost my job 5 years ago I started drinking. Usually starts around 3:00 pm I make myself a drink usually rye and coke( Canadian) at 46 years old not to many people hire you. I went to AA but they just tell me everything I already know. I am so used to drinking that it takes me about a 26- 40 ozer to get happy I know if I don't stop I'll die early ... any suggestions on how to quit?
 

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I wish you the best with your situation. It is tough to quit drinking, especially when it is an old habit. I know this may not be the best answer, but in lieu of drinking, try some light cardio like running, biking, etc. The best way to help is to get your mind off of it.
 

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believe me I am no expert but most people I know who have quit tend to have addictive personalities. They tend to replace there drinking with some hobby that often becomes an obsession. Running or working out is good because it makes your body release endorphins that stimulate the happy part of the brain just like the drinking. But to tell you the truth I've never met anyone who quit because someone else told them how. It comes from within.
 

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It does have to come from within.
If you can not "cold turkey" it try to leave it till 4 p.m. for a while then 5 p.m. and so on until you are close to going to bed before you have one.
Just a thought and that is how I quit smoking.
I used to smoke one on the way to work. I cut that out for a couple of weeks then cut the next one I would normally smoke for a couple of weeks and then the next one and so on. Got to the point where I was having one after supper and then shortly before bed. Shortly after that I was smoke free.
Different scenario but worked for me.
Good Luck and as with anything addictive there has to be some will power involved.
 

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I've personally helped LOTS of people quit what I like to call their "too much" behavior... I'll start with a quick "course" on why people do these... (drink, drugs, smoke, overeat, etc)

It all start with feelings... What most people don't realize is that ALL feelings are good... Feelings are like the "dashboard" of our life/minds...

Think of it like this... When you're car is about to run out of gas, the gauge reads "E" and the "fuel light" comes on... The fuel light is an indicator that "something" is wrong... In this case, it's the fact that you're about to run out of gas!

Our feelings are not quite so easy to "figure out"... The tell us something, it's just that often times we ignore what it's really trying to tell us...

Imagine if you would a person who had no concept of what a "fuel light" was... They drive down the road and suddenly notice a light on on the dash... The look at it, and maybe even realize that it's telling them something, but they have no idea what it means...

The pull off to a gas station and go inside and buy an ice cream cone... MMMMMmmmm! That ice cream cone sure is good!!! They take off and continue their drive... They enjoy the ice cream so much that they "forget" about the gas light... It doesn't get their attention at all!

Eventually though the ice cream is gone and they notice the light again... Hrmmm that's not good... Better pull over and get another ice cream cone!!!

The ice cream cone is nothing more than a "distraction" from the real problem... If they continue to buy ice cream to distract them from the real problem, eventually they are going to run out of gas...

People are the exact same way... We have a primary feeling... Let's say anger... We get angry about something... That anger is our minds way of telling us that something is wrong... We need to "fix" something in our lives...

The problem is, many of us don't take the time to "listen" to it and solve it... Instead we find a distraction... We binge on food, or smoke another cigarette, or in your case drink until we're drunk... That "distraction" takes away the feeling... The fuel light goes out so to speak.. Or at least it provides enough distraction that we don't notice it anymore...

The problem is, since the "problem" is never resolved, as soon as the distraction is over, the feeling comes right back....

That begins a cycle... Feeling -> distraction -> feeling -> distraction -> feeling -> distraction and so on...

EVENTUALLY this brings on another feeling... The secondary feeling of frustration... Frustration is our minds way of telling us that what we are TRYING to do to fix our problem (that's causing the anger) is not working...

But alas, most of us STILL choose not to listen... Instead of saying "Hey, this frustration means my "solution" isn't working, I need to try something else", we instead say, "Ohh, I better distract myself again..."

Which leads to a new cycle... Frustration -> distraction -> frustration -> distraction and so on again...

That cycle leads to the last step along the way... The tirciary feeling of depression... That's when we "give up" on fixing the problem... Sometimes we become self distructive, lose our values, etc... It's our minds way of trying to "reboot" itself... Unfortunately that rarely works either...

Let's take the example of anger above... The first step is to identify the feeling... In this case we know it's anger... Now we have to "solve" that problem... For anger (and it varies depending on the feeling) we first have to identify what causes the feeling... Anger is caused by feeling like we were treated unfairly... (guilt is that we treated someone else unfairly, etc) So now we have to identify who treated us unfairly... Then (in the case of anger) we can resolve it... First you as yourself if it was REALLY unfair... Let's say in this example the persons boss is making them work LOTS of overtime hours and they aren't able to spend any time with friends and family... Is it REALLY unfair though? Maybe in his job interview this person stated that they loved to work and would work as many hours as needed... So at least some of the situation is because of our actions... So we accept a little of the blame and some of the anger goes away... The next step would be to attempt to make it fair... Maybe you explain the situation to your boss and try to come up with a fair compromise... You get every other weekend off for example... Now a little more anger goes away... But now let's say there is still 20% of the anger left... The last step is to FORGIVE... That's a much more difficult thing than most of us realize... Forgiving is NOT about the other person... It's about OURSELVES...

Anyway... Now comes the interesting part...

You might think... well... It all started when I lost my job... I was felt <blank> when that happened, so I need to resolve that... In truth, it probably goes MUCH deeper (and MUCH further back) than that...

Now a quick little blurb about myself and why I know these things... ;) I'm a certified hypnotherapist... A MODERNLY trained hypnotherapist... Now let me explain something... Between hollywood and all the "bad" hypnotherapists out there, the very idea of hypnosis leaves a very skeptical view in most peoples minds... The truth is, hypnosis is VERY different than what 95% of the people out there think it is... The problem is you've got people who pick up an "e-book" off the internet and declare themselves a hyponotist or hypnotherapist... You've also got people who are "classically" trained using VERY old techniques that were developed back in the 20's or even earlier... Because of this there are some very strange ideas about it... Most people reading this probably are thinking about some guy either waving a pendulum or watch in front of a person saying "You are getting sleepy! VERY sleepy!" Yeah, I'm getting sleepy just thinking about it...

You've also got hypnotists out there that use age old techniques like progressive relaxation inductions and direct suggestion techniques that JUST DON'T WORK... Sure, you might quit smoking/eating/drinking for a day or two IF they got lucky...

The problem is, let's take a typical visit to a classically trained hypnotist office... You go in, lay back in a chair or couch and they start telling you to close your eyes... relax... focus on each muscle group and relax it... walk down a staircase in your mind... etc...etc...etc.. An hour later IF you're still awake (cause you've probably fallen asleep!) you MIGHT be in SOME state of trance... The hypnotist has NO IDEA what level of trance you're in.. (At LEAST level 3 is required for direct suggestion to even work)... They spew off some "You won't drink anymore... every time you take a sip of a drink it'll taste terrible, etc..etc..etc..." crap and then wake you up and send you out the door...

WRONG... ALL ABOARD THE FAILROAD!!!

Here's the deal... Direct Suggestion doesn't work... At least not for more than a few days... Why? Simple... Because just like a distraction, it doesn't "resolve" the issue... Only attempts to modify you're behavior... Even if it DOES work, the underlying issue still exists at which point you'll just move on to a NEW distraction... Great... Now instead of a drinker you're gaining 300lbs overeating!

Remember I said the problem most likely goes WAY WAY back much further than you realize??? In the people I've worked with, (and the same holds true for any other hypnotherapists out there that are trained in modern techniques) almost ALL of these too-much behaviors go back to an age of somewhere between 3-5 years old!!!

Now I know what you're thinking... Impossible! You weren't drinking untill a few years ago when you lost your job... Well, here's the thing... EVERY moment that happens in our life is "recorded" so to speak in our subconscious mind... A "trigger" (what we refer to as an ISE or Initial Sensitizing Event) might happen when you are 3-5 years old (or even younger, but rarely older) but never "manifest" itself until much much later in life... Why? Simple... Because though it "sensitizes" you, it requires more "re-enforcement" before it causes a shift in your behavior...

Let me give you an example... A client comes in who has an absolute phobia of spiders... I don't mean they're SCARED of spiders... I mean they have a PHOBIA... When they see a spider they COMPLETELY lose control of themselves... They completely freak out... The have a panic attack, they have a hard time breathing, they can't function for a LONG time afterwards...

In the initial meeting in trying to understand the problem they tell me that a couple years back a friend of theirs was bitten by a brown-recluse spider... It really did a number on them and they still have a terrible scar to prove it... "THIS" was when it all started...

In hypnosis we age regress back to that time... Then we regress back again to an earlier time.. A time when the client was only 16... They were camping and had several spiders get into their sleeping bag and completley freak them out... We regress back further and find that when they were 10 their uncle told them a story about how his good friend was killed by a black widow... We regress again and we end up when the client was 2 1/2 years old... In this event his mother (it's always mom and dad you know? ;)) saw a spider and COMPLETELY freaked out, shouting and yelling and scaring the crap out of this little one... We regress back further, but nothing comes up... We go back to when he was 2... He sees a spider and doesn't think anything about it... Tada.... The even at 2 1/2 was the ISE... And THAT single event shaped his entire life... Each event that followed re-enforced the idea, and eventually the last one (the brown-recluse bite) was the one that sent him "overboard" so to speak... That's how our subconscious functions... It's very skeptical by nature... Anything going in is filed under beliefs we already have, or "information" that we don't believe but it's filed away none the less... Eventually with enough re-enforcement, something we don't believe can become a belief... You might not believe in life on other planets... But if we discover life on other planets and you happen to see first hand this life, then all that "information" that you didn't believe becomes a belief...

Mom and Dad just happen to have a TREMENDOUS power over us... Anything they tell us is ranked with a very high priority... ;)

So anyway... Moving on... While you THINK the problem is rooted in losing your job, most likely the ISE is MUCH MUCH earlier than that...

To "resolve" the behavior there's a wonderful technique called "Informed Child"... If you were in a session with me, I would regress you back to your ISE... At that point I would regress you back a little before that event... Let's take the above example... Earlier that day you're in your bedroom playing... We regress to that time... Now I bring the "adult" and "child" together and allow the adult to speak with the child... The "adult" tells the child EVERYTHING they need to know to not be "freaked out" and "scared" when their mother sees the spider... Who better to know exactly what the child needs to hear than you yourself!!!

Think of your subconscious mind like the rings of a tree... each year building outward... Each ring ONLY had the previous years "information" to go on... By doing informed child, it's kinda like building a "bridge" between the outtermost ring and all it's "information" and the earlier ring where that information wasn't available...

So NOW the child can go back THROUGH the event (re-live it so to speak) but this time have all the information to draw on that says that a reaction like that to a spider is ridiculous! Now when the child goes back through that event, instead of freaking out and getting terribly scared at their mother, they instead start to laugh because they realize just how silly it is!

Guess what happens next??? One of the most spectacular things you could ever imagine... All of a sudden the subconscious mind starts reorganizing itself.. All of the later events "collapse" and a completely new view is developed... It's a COMPLETE and TOTAL shift in personality and beliefs that takes place so quickly it's almost impossible to comprehend... You can literally see someone transform themselves right in front of you...

I've run on quite a while here, but as you obviously have a problem and you're looking to get help I wanted to make sure I explained it as fully as possible so that you'd understand that help IS available...

If you choose to seek the help of a hypnotherapist, here's a few things to look for...

1) Make sure you inquire into ALL of their training... The source of the training, how many hours of training they have, what forms that training took, and how many hours of continuing education they do each year...

2) Make sure they are a member of the NGH... The National Guild of Hypnotists is the oldest and most recognized guild out there... They enforce the best training requirments for membership, and also continuing education requirements...

3) Make SURE they do age regression... As I've described above, if they don't do age regression they can't get to the ISE... MOST hypnotists that aren't trained in age regression refuse to do it... There are too many "bad" things that can happen if you don't know what you're doing... As I've already shown, you can COMPLETELY change someones personality... That's not something someone who isn't trained is willing to do... It's kinda like... Someone can CALL themselves a doctor, but they probably won't be willing to do surgery on you unless they are trained because they wouldn't have the slightest clue what they were doing and know the ramifications of it...

4) I would STRONGLY suggest you seek a hypnotherapist that is trained in "5-PATH" hypnosis. 5-PATH (5 Phase Abreactive Theraputical Hypnosis) is uses age regression and the techniques (as well as many others) as described above to give you a complete "path" of healing... Usually it will only require 4 of the 5 stages... (The 5th stage is for managing certain secondary-gain issues that most people will not have)

5) Ask as many and any questions you want... A GOOD hypnotherapist understands the fears that can be associated with hypnosis and knows full well that the ONLY way to get you into the required level of trance for age regression (level 5) is by having all your fears of hypnosis resolved. They'll be willing to answer all your questions and give you as much information as you want.

6) A quick call to the NGH (www.ngh.net) and they'll be more than happy to provide a list of certified hypnotherapists in your area to work with you... They should even be able to tell you what type of training the hypnotherapist has and perhaps more importantly rather they are trained in 5-PATH or not...

If you have any other questions please feel free to PM me and I'll do my best to help out as much as I can...
 

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Re: How do I quit drinking

When a doctor tells you to quit, or die, it's easy. I quit in 1998, and I was a professional drinker back then. I was a bartender too.
I decided to quit, and did it.
I quit smoking the same way, cold turkey.

Good luck.
 
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Try to stay busy doing things you enjoy.. A.A. is also an option..
Good Luck Man!
 

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Congratulations on making the first and most important step towards kicking your habit. That is realizing you have a problem and having the desire to quit. While I?m not an alcoholic, my dad was one and he never admitted it so we could not help him, even though we tried for years. It was one of the primary causes of his early death. I?m not familiar with Canadian recourses but here in the States we have a lot of them. Alcoholics Anonymous comes to mind first but your local health department should be able point you in the right direction to find a program that will work for you.

If you find that you start your drinking in the early afternoon maybe you could find some type of activity to do that will not allow you to have time to mix that first drink. Is there a place in your area that you could do volunteer work? How about enrolling in some type of class?

I wish I could be more help. It may not be easy. Keep in mind that there are many members here that wish you the best, some have been in your situation and we will support you any way we can. Member support is the cornerstone of this forum.
 

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I think you first need to clarify whether you have an addiction or merely a habit.

I recently stopped smoking after about 60 years. It was a stepped process. First I "cured" the addiction, then I took on the habit.

1. Make it harder and inconvenient to smoke. I forbade myself to smoke indoors, locked the smokes in my safe and the lighter in my dresser. To smoke I had to go open the safe, get a smoke, then go to the bedroom and open the dresser to get the lighter. Then outdoors to the porch to do my smoking.

2. Stop as soon as the craving was satisfied. Initially, this meant stopping when about half of my miniature cigar was left. Over the years (Yes, years) it came to mean that a "smoke" was 2 or 3 puffs. I was then down to smoking 2 to 4 of them a day.

3. By this time the addiction was down to very small doses of nicotine and the habit became a nuisance, rather than a pleasure.

4. To close the process I stopped buying smokes (very convenient, because the tax just went up another buck a pack) and bought bags of beef jerky instead. Every time I thought I wanted a smoke I grabbed a slice of jerky.

Still want a smoke now and then, but it is a passing want.

Maybe a similar weaning process would make you a coffee or tea drinker instead of a boozer.
 

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When you reach the point when you?re ready, go back to AA and ask the chairperson to help you find a temporary sponsor. As an alcoholic with some time, (sober), under my belt, I?m in a position to know that, for the majority of us, it is our only chance of long-term sobriety. Let me clarify that when I say ?us? I am not referring to you. I am referring to myself and my group. One thing I know for sure is that there is a power in a group of others like ourselves that can provide the strength that we need until we develop our own set of tools that enable us to remain sober one day at a time. When I was drinking I eventually reached the point that I was fully ready to give up my marriage and ultimately my life to continue drinking ? Doesn?t make much sense looking back on it, but at the time I couldn?t comprehend any other option It was the birth of my first child that saved my life and that ultimately led me to AA a means of not drinking. I pray that you find a means as well. Good Luck Friend and God Bless You.
 

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There are truly blessed people on this forum, I think my biggest problem is that I like the feeling too much. I got up this morning and checked how much I drank last night. Seems I finished off the 26 er and half of a 40. I used to smoke years ago and had no problem quitting with help from zyban. I hated smoking and it's side effects.I think I will start later in the day and try to keep myself busy. Here in Canada a 60 ozer runs at $52.00 I could have bought a new motor for my boat by now. Thank you all for your support and ideas.
 

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A higher Power is the only way out. Get to an AA meeting, get a sponser, read the big book, and keep coming back.

The alternatives are jail, institutions, or Death. That is a fact.
If you cant do it by just going to AA..Go to rehab first. Alcoholism is fatal if left untreated.
This is serious. You will die, or kill somebody else.
I'm a recovered alcoholic, drug addict, etc. You can do it! Your life is not over after drinking...it's just starting. There is nothing better than waking up early and with a clear head, pouring a nice cup of coffee, and taking a sunrise cruise on my boat.

PM me if you want to get my number and chat. I would be more than happy to share my experience, strength, and hope.

God bless.

Conway
 

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There are truly blessed people on this forum, I think my biggest problem is that I like the feeling too much. I got up this morning and checked how much I drank last night. Seems I finished off the 26 er and half of a 40. I used to smoke years ago and had no problem quitting with help from zyban. I hated smoking and it's side effects.I think I will start later in the day and try to keep myself busy. Here in Canada a 60 ozer runs at $52.00 I could have bought a new motor for my boat by now. Thank you all for your support and ideas.

Put the money you save away and buy some "toys" with what you save. Set a goal for what you want. You will feel a great accomplishment when you get it.
 

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Re: How do I quit drinking

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Bottom line is ... THE REASON to stop drinking or to drink REASONABLY
has to mean more to a person than the reason they drink
out of control
to start with.


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I know from experience because I abused alcohol for many years. One key point that really helped me quit was to finally realize that even though drinking was enjoyable IT WAS CAUSING ME TO MISS THINGS MUCH MORE ENJOYABLE. It also helps to "add up" just what drinking has cost you. A job?, a marriage? a relationship with your family and children? Let these things fill any void that being sober may cause..good luck.
 

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Find a good Bible teaching church and start attending. Get on your knees and ask Jesus Christ into your heart and to forgive you for your sins and to help you with your addiction. All things are possible through Christ. He has changed our entire lives and he can help you too if you ask and believe!
 

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i know this may sound rough. but just quit. i realize that all addictions are different, but it always seems to be "just quit". i know i quit smoking some 11 years ago, cold turkey. although smoking and drinking are completely different, the addictions are similar. focus on what's important. your health? fishing? boating? don't laugh. we all have different focus points that keep us going. i don't know your situation but i wish you all the best. if you can focus on what's important in your life, then you may realize that alcohol is not. i wish you all the best.
 

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Hey Mars.
All the power to ya'! If you want to do something bad enough... you can.
Cold turkey is a great way to quickly end the problem. I was lucky and did that with smoking some 15 years ago now. If that isn't right for you or you can't do it... you're with the majority of people so don't be frustrated.
You have to do something though... there is no magic process.
Plan B.
Make goals and I mean get serious and write them down and leave them on your fridge and liquor cabinet door. Make a list of easily achieveable goals... like something for your boat... or a small repair at home... whatever, and add a goal in there about the booze. Maybe... every fourth one is just mix or water... something like that. Then create some slightly more difficult, longer term goals with the same procedure... like paint out a room and every third one is mix or a water. You have to do this because one person's actions always affect others... don't be selfish... if not for yourself, do it for the people around you. Don't be a wuss, get tough and suck it up!
I'll tell ya' something else right off the bat... lose the hard stuff! Stop buying it. I'm sure of all the hardcore alcoholics... 90% or more of them drink the hard stuff. Switch to beer or wine with soda water. There's some alcohol issues close to home and I can tell you first hand doing that will make the transition back to a social or non-drinker a lot easier.
Even after the very first time/day you successfully complete the actions on your list.. you're on the right path.
Like another post read... you've made the first step already by acknowledging the problem... now it's time to take action.
Write down some goals and just do it... and right now... get your pen!
You can do this.
Be strong and I wish you all the best my fellow boater.


John
 

mars bar

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well, I going to measure off an amount everyday. I tried cold turkey and start to vomit and shake then the head aches begin. I think about what damage it does to my liver but then my mind says "what about so and so he's doing ok and he drinks more! I'm setting goals, My boat project is been standing for years. Thanks for all the encouragement, I'll have to read these several times in the next week. Todays goal is start later tonight and cut in half my normal poison. Thanks everyone.
 
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