How far can you advance a Thunderbolt V...?

alldodge

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These are the ones I have on file, and unable to find searching at Merc or BAM

TB-4
15247A1
805361T1 4.3 V6

TB-5
806959A01 old 806959T4 7.4 Bravo 1 and 2
806960A01 old 806960T4 7.4 Bravo 3
806745A01 old 806745T4 454 Mag
 

AKJohne

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Depends on what is marked on the module post 2

Post 2...? Please explain,

There is a stamp on the sheet metal cover that seemed inconsequential before, and its not very clear but it is 11S over 20A in a circle.... 20 D advance..... certainly logical...Blast merc for not making this info available.
 

achris

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Post 2...? Please explain,

Second post of this thread... But those markings are for the older TB-IV system...

...Blast merc for not making this info available.

Oh contraire... Thank Merc for creating TB-V... A system that advances the timing to the point of maximum advance without doing any damage to the engine. Even if the information was available, what would you do with it? Knowing it, not knowing it, no difference. Set the timing as specified and enjoy your boating.

If you really must know the timing, take a timing light out with you and try to measure it... Here's the problem, it varies.. Even if Merc did publish something... What would it be? "The total advance is somewhere between 30 and 45 degrees"... That's all they could say... Because, it varies.. based on engine speed, fuel quality, atmospheric pressure, etc, etc, etc... The module sets the timing to be the most advanced it can for the conditions at that particular moment.

Chris.........
 
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AKJohne

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Reporting back.... all the info you guys provided is pretty much spot on. I had to satisfy myself and the what ifs... that push thinking people on their quests for knowledge. Thanks to all for bearing with me.

I spoke to Merc they were surprisingly helpful but could not or would not provide the advance curve details (TA). He did say it will only advance to a specified point and stop at that, which is not what I discovered when I connected a timing light.

I checked base at 10, then disconnected the ground wire and increased RPM's in 500 RPM increments..
1500 ~ 20 degrees
2000 ~ 26/27 degrees
2500 ~ 30/35 degrees
3000 ~ 37/42 degrees

This was while under way.
Needless to say I left it at base 10 and it may be slightly above 10, but it idles and shifts fine.

I only checked the original module, I purchased a spare module I bought form a dealer at 1/2 price, it was NOS so it was not the conversions kit, which is ok because I can keep one as a spare and change by unplugging old and plugging in new. Part of the concern was the confusing part number on the replacement. According to my research it was for a ALPHA L , 2 bbl carb....?. I have a LX with a 4 bbl. However the replacement conversion kit part is the same for both the L and the LX.

Is it possible that mecr could have made this any more confusing?
I used a Snap-off timing light that allows one to look at 0 degrees and dial it ti read the actual BTDC timing.

Concerning my numbers, the first number is the degrees it held relatively steady and the second number is a approximate of where and how far it was "bouncing".

I am done boating for the year, I will look at my spare module next season and see it if compares.
I am happy with the TB-V and how it works, my fuel mileage was very good on this last trip, I logged about 170 miles and ~ 2.3 MPG, 7000 pound outfit and cruising 25-28 MPH typically at 3350 RPM, which seems to be the sweet spot for this motor/boat.

It was clam seas and good conditions on this trip, big difference from before with 4-6 foot seas and running 15 MPH and 1.9 avg MPG.

All for now, Thanks all......!

PS, its not about economy, its about endurance and how far you can go on a tank, yes I know the rule of thirds....
 
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