How it all got started

[mellowyellow]

Re: How it all got started

the Koran, like the bible teaches that any killing<br />is wrong, yet some muslim clerics have found one<br />obscure passage and they use it to justify being<br />a martyr (suicide bomber) and killing innocent<br />people. this is not much different than what SW<br />is saying here.<br />thank you for bringing up the "new" covenant.<br />I prefer to follow the example of Jesus and<br />he CLEARLY states you should love your enemy and<br />turn the other cheek... love one another!<br />this is what should be preached from every pulpit<br />IMO, not murder.<br />regards,<br />M.Y.

 

[mikeandronda]

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I agree Mellowyellow. But If you follow the new testement you need to follow the old testement . Jesus quoted the old testement often and the old testement prophets told of Christs coming many times. It does not comand anybody to go and kill anybody (other than capitol punishment) and like I said God told the jews 1000s of yrs ago to destroy their enemys ( the people who we now battle with) completely or they would forever be a thorn in the side. I have to say they are quite a thorn in the side of the world not just to Israel. In the way God says love your enemy and turn the other cheak I dont think it means allow yourself to be a door mat and let the world destry you. Anybody who would use the old Testement to start a holy war is no better than them nimrods in afganistan ot Iraq and so on.

 

[knobby]

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I gotta give to you SoulWinner, you always get'em going...Keep up the good work...Bless you brother.

 

[mellowyellow]

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so you are saying you think it's OK to murder<br />them all? it's what God wants???<br />SW said "Is it too late to finish the job?"<br />and you're OK with this???<br />WWJD?

 

[mikeandronda]

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Well Your (WWJD) What would Jesus Do question I would have to answer with love our enemies. Now I am a Christian who does his very best to follow the word of the lord I am at a loss on how I feel about 9/11. Turn the other cheek is what we are told to do but I can not see how that will fix the problem or even understand how that would stop it from happening again( I am not perfect and have a terrible temper). I have children and I know of there innocence and I can not even imagine people wanting to kill them because of my beliefs.But what God did with the great flood also killed woman and children. But according to the Bible the world was full of wicked people. Now I tell you it sounds crazy to me the whole world other than Noah and his family were evil. But if you look at the way the world is headed it seems to me it is a very good possability in the future that it could happen again.A people completely corupt and evil is how the bible describes the enemies in the land of Israel at the time god commanded them to kill evry man,woman and child. It was Gods call.

 

[SoulWinner]

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Mellowyellow, <br /><br />I wasn't serious about the "is too late finish the job" thing, it was added stemming from several conversations I have regarding peace in Israel. Didn't think it was rediculous when Hammas sent a suicide bomber on a bus two weeks ago, killing more than 20 innocent men women and chilren, then two days later, after Israely retalliation called off the cease fire? Is that rediculous or what? So I poorly pointed the absurd with absurdity. Off course it would be an utter to God to commit genocide upon the Palestinians. I may be rough around the edges, but I'm not some hate filled Jerry Springer klan memeber guest, sheesh. I can see that I held to a higher standard here ad must be more careful in the careful in the future about what and how I post. No problem. But if you are going to attack me, I would like for you to read the material I site and make up your mind based based on that, not on your predetermined opinions of me.

 

[mellowyellow]

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M&R,<br />you give the correct answer, but then out of the<br />other side of your mouth you contradict it?<br />why did god send his only begotten son to earth?<br />so we could ignore what he taught us and revert<br />to the old teachings? the new covenant REPLACES<br />the old one. not just some of the time....

 

[mellowyellow]

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SW if I misunderstood your motives, I apologize.<br />perhaps you should be more careful in how you<br />word things of this nature. It certainly seemed<br />to me you thought we should finish the job.<br />regards,<br />MY

 

[Carphunter]

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I like Cheez Whiz and long walks on the beach.................... Whoops....... I think I posted this on the wrong site.<br /><br />My apologies.

 

[mikeandronda]

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Mellowyellow I state that I am not perfect and I answered What would Jesus do with as much honesty as I can. I know what The comand love your enemies means as well as turn the other cheek but alas I am an imperfect human who is still royaly POed about somebody killing 3000 inocents on my counties soil. I truely wish I could forgive and forget and I hope someday I will.<br />I quote " <br />M&R,<br />you give the correct answer, but then out of the<br />other side of your mouth you contradict it?<br />why did god send his only begotten son to earth?<br />so we could ignore what he taught us and revert<br />to the old teachings? the new covenant REPLACES<br />the old one. not just some of the time.... <br /><br />Does that mean the 10 commandments mean nothing to you. By the way I do see your point that you make and read the things you are writing that Christ has said I am in 100% agreence with you ,but this post started about what God commanded his people to do, the failed to obay God and now we are still paying the price. I do not condone wipeing out andbody or any contry but who knows what God knew back then.I do follow the new Testement over the old but the old should be used to refrence the new.

 

[SCO]

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I am largely ignorant of the Koran, but I expect that many Koran followers support their hatred of jews and infidels with the same faith in their convictions. This is the very reason for our seperation of church and state, and why we can tolerate them and they can't tolerate us. The power there that we are having to fight lies with the radical islamic leaders. Does this mean that I dont want prayer in school or the 10 commandments in the courthouse or the cross at the 911 memorial? No. Just spelling that out so there is no misunderstanding. I don't believe in freedom from religion, but freedom of religion.

 

[mellowyellow]

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we are all human and imperfect M&R! I'm PO'd too.<br />but I can't condone the thought that we should wipe<br />them off the face of the earth in the name of God.<br />Abraham slept with his servant, but that doesn't<br />mean it's OK for me to be unfaithful. what was the<br />first commandmant? I may not agree with abortion,<br />but people who bomb clinics and murder doctors are<br />no better than the terrorists in my eyes.<br />Religuos extremists who use some passage from the<br />bible to justify their actions are just plain<br />wrong IMO and are gonna be surprised come jugement<br />day.

 

[Bob Kimber]

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Normaly I wouldn't buy into this discussion, but I have to agree totally with mellowyellow. I was born into a christian family with both protestant and catholic parents and raised with this belief. I have lived and travelled extensively in Africa and parts of Asia, in Africa I have been in muslim communities and travelled with muslims of various sects, I found on all occasions I was treated with respect and courtesy by the general community regardless of my beliefs. In Nepal I have close Nepali friends who belong to a very strict hindu sect, I am always welcome in their household and treated as a family member who can attend their religious functions as part of the family without any fear of retribution from their spiritual leaders who accept I am a christian. In this part of the world I have also travelled and lived in company with buddhists and other ethnic religions.<br /><br />My point is all of these different religions seem to have the one common goal, which "is to live the best life possible in accordance with their beliefs and love and support their families".<br /><br />There are radicals in all religions who want to cause dissent and commit despicable acts against humanity, you only have to look to Northern Ireland for an example, with the trouble between the protestants and catholics, both sides claim to have god on their side and claim to be christians while killing and maiming innocent people.<br /><br />Sorry about the long winded post, but I think some people need to see how the other people of the world live.<br /><br />Bob

 

[NOSLEEP]

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Soulwinner, You owe me an apology. I'm sure you<br />don't make it a practice to insult people on<br />purpose.

 

[mikeandronda]

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Ok Mellowyellow we are not far off from eachother on this. All i am saying is that is what it says in the Bible about what god commanded the Israelites to do they didnt so now we reap what they sowed. Now on your comment on how it would be wrong to do that now you are 100% right. That is an knee jerk reaction of many including my self to the horror of what happened to our prople for what I believe is just an attack on The american beliefs that we all hold so dear. I believe God puts the stuff he has in the Bible to teach us how we can screw up and comeback when we relize we are wrong and he will forgive. Moses was a murder, Abraham was as you said a audulter, David( called in the Bible a man after Gods own heart) a murderer and adulter. Paul hunted and killed Christians in the name of the jews and yet each one had consiquenses for their actions but were all able to come back to God and Become great men in the Bible. I for one feel we are doing a great job across seas and for the life of me know I could not think of a better plan then we are doing right now. It is human to want to wipe out your enemies completly but It is also human to feel for the inocents. I remeber reading of an Iraqi family caught in the crossfire of the war and the only survivor was a small young girl that lost her hand among other injuries standing in the road in shock as our own soldiers had to move on without helping(That must have tore them up) And it took everything I could muster to get the image of my Daughter standing there like that out of my mind.I would wish no harm upon children anywere.

 

[LadyFish]

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All I can say is that my religion teaches tolerance. <br /><br />Intolerance of others whether its race, religion, culture or color is why we have wars between people and countries.<br /><br />I am Catholic.

 

[mattttt25]

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"Everything in the Bible, Talmud, Torah and other books of religious instruction and history is the word of MAN, interpreted and translated by MEN who claim it is devine revelation."<br /><br />amen, jb. i was raised a catholic, but can't remember the last time i was in a church. it's not the popular belief, but i sometimes feel religion is simply a crutch for those who want/need it. which is perfectly fine with me. the greeks believed in many gods because they simply couldn't explain why the sun rose each day, what thunder was, etc. their gods were eliminated when science explained it. i think we as people will always fall back on religion because some things simply can't be explained.<br /><br />i figure with so many religions out there, most people must be "wrong" in their beliefs. so i simply stick with the idea of being a good person. if there truly is a god, i'm sure that will be enough for him/her/it when we meet...

 

[Ralph 123]

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LF, you probably want to avoid the other post then otherwise you will be taught how you a wrong about what your particular creed teaches ...

 

[mikeandronda]

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Just a thought here guys .... It is rare that words used alone, no matter how fluently spoken and carfully put together into sentances has converted anybody to Christianity. It takes living by them as well. Just curious what all the non-christians who read must think about us. Lets stop attacking each other and start acting like the Christians we profess to be. There is no law stating we have to agree and I love to debate issues, not because I like to argue but because I like to learn others opinions and possably learn something new. Lets put down the weapons and just act more cival towards eachother.

 

[SlowlySinking]

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Amen,,,,,,,,,