How many of you out there have run synth at 100:1 in an outboard that calls for

[CATransplant]

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I'm with you, Bill. What the heck. If the manufacturer of an engine specifies what mix you should use, and of what oil, then I can't see any reason to vary from that.<br /><br />If someone wants to take their chances on a several thousand dollar engine, then they should be my guest.<br /><br />Myself, if I had an engine with that much invested in it, I'd be following manufacturer's recommendations to the letter.<br /><br />As it happens, my Johnson RDS-20 outboard dates back to 1958. It's supposed to use a 24:1 ratio. So, I mix a whole quart of TCW-3 in the 6-gallon tank. I have no idea how many hours are on that 47-year-old motor, but it's still ticking along and planing my boat out with no problems.<br /><br />I can't imagine why I'd experiment with something that works just fine. Just follow the blue cloud and you can see my ugly boat.

 

[kevin500]

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I agree with CA Transplant...<br />I am a firm believer in synthetic oils myself. Use it in my vehicles all the time. Great product. Sold a PILE of it during my tenure with...... an oil company.<br />However, my motor being a 1964 40 hp 'rude, still running like new, must mean that the 50-1 is working.<br />I only have about $600 invested in boat AND motor, but I would still not want to jeopardize that investment by under-mixing. The most I would try would be a 70-1 mix, the very most.<br />If my motor was newer, (tighter tolerances, etc) I might try mixing a bit lighter. But at this age, I would guess that the beast (much like myself) needs all the help it can get!<br />It could run great if I mix it lighter. I don't know.<br />I have a little 1980 7.5hp 'rude that was given to me, *FREEBIE*, runs good also. I am thinking, because this will be a kicker used for trolling, I will try to mix it lighter with synthetic to check it out. If it blows, I will have an anchor! Cut down on the blue when trolling. Nothing ventured, nothing lost.

 

[LubeDude]

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Hmmmmmmm, Honestly, I cant say much about what BillP, CA, and Kevin have posted. <br /><br />I have never come across anyone that has used the 100:1 for 1,000s of hours either. Also, I have said several times that Im not now a user of the 100:1 oils other than lawn and chainsaw equipment. (Not that I dont believe them to be up to the task). Now that they have a 50:1 oil and an injector at that, I use the HP injector oil and recommend it to outboard users at a 50:1 mix. I do believe that the synthetic oils will prolong the life of an outboard engine, (but it is a bit of overkill if you are using it for that reason alone). I use it because I seem to get better all around performance with it, my engine is cleaner, there is noticably less smoke, I never have to decarb and Spark plugs last untill they wear out. Being a dealer allows me to buy the oil for about $15.00 a gallon so all these benifits are worth the price to me.

 

[kevin500]

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Yup.... I have no problem using synthetic, but only at 50-1. I have a problem with 100-1. Not saying that I am right, but you know the story about old dogs and new tricks..

 

[LubeDude]

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Ive said this before also, I dont understand why in the life of me, why Al Amituzio decided that he could win the world over by marketing a 100:1 oil in the first place. He is a stubborn man though. I feel, and have written letters to Amsoil about this that the company would be better off doing away with the 100:1 outboard oil and bottling the HP Injector oil as an outboard oil in a 50:1 bottle and actually having it certified TC-W3. But "NO", they will not do it. My feelings would be that they would sell a lot more oil.

 

[ZmOz]

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Amsoil makes great products, but their business is run about as well as the DMV. They've got terrible marketing and I think the whole dealer program is complete BS. Many, many people think Amsoil has something to do with Amway. Just think how much more oil they would sell if you could buy it in almost every store that sells oil like Mobil 1...

 

[Ronald1]

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ZmOz, I was under the assumption that Amsoil was an Amway product....... Thanks for clearing that up. Now I know why LD has not been telling us how good his laundry soap is! BTW some of our local auto parts stores sell the Amsoil products.

 

[LubeDude]

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Amsoil has a health side also, it has things like (Yes Laundry soap), and vitamins. Thay also have many car care products. You cant buy a TV yet though! <br /><br />They have not and have never had any affiliation with Amway.<br /><br />Even though it is an MLM company, the dealers are right up front with every aspect of the MLM system, there is "NEVER" any atempt to hide this fact. Amsoil is one of the most succesfull MLM companys.<br /><br />Truth be known, I dont like it either.

 

[phatmanmike]

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i have a buddy with a 1986 suzuki dt20 and it has stickers al over it that say 100:1 oil mix<br /><br />he keeps mixing it at 100:1 and i keep telling him not to, but he does, because" its got the stickers on it"<br /><br />one day real quick, his motor will be an anchor<br /><br />he is afraid that he is gonna blow up the motor if he uses too much oil i.e, 50:1

 

[pwiseman]

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Originally posted by BillP:<br />

Originally posted by Paul Wiseman:<br />I have to chuckle about the back and forth here. I have a lot of faith in the amsoil products and they are very helpful with recommondations and upfront on warranty issues. Just bought a new Honda 30 Thinking on running amsoil, but I don't see as strong of a reason to run synthetic on a 4 stroke. I will probably wait for warranty to expire and then go synthetic.

The question is do I really want to post this or skip it? Coin flipped heads up so here it is...<br /><br />In my mind it isn't whether Amsoil is a good or bad oil because it appears to work like most other oils. However, I've yet to see multiple posts (actually not even one) of running 2000-3000 hrs with it. Commercial guys have been doing 2000-3000 hrs for 20-30 years with BIA/NMMA TCW oils under hard use. Most (99.99%)commercial guys I see are still running TCW-3. A few seasons and few hundred hrs with Amsoil or any other oil is nothing spectacular to brag about IMHO. <br /><br />MY problem is Amsoil wasn't officially certified as a TCW-3 oil last time I looked. Most motor mfgs spec certified oils and they work A1. Claims of running great, etc with Amsoil can be matched everyday by TCW-3 oils. Good or bad, I just can't see a good enough reason not to follow mfg specifications exactly as written. <br /><br />Easy now, this is just personal thoughts and not a bash on your favorite oil.<br /><br />bp [/QB]

I hear what you are saying. As I mentioned, I am going with the recommended oil for my new motor because I don't want to void the warranty. I ran amsoil in an old 2 stroke that I have and I don't depend on it very much. All I was saying that I chuckle that people get so wound up about it one way or the other. To me, there is a place where it makes sense, and there are other situations where it does not make sense. Amsoil to me is a product worth looking motors I don't care that much about. I won't risk my brand new motor, but I might learn something by using the product in my old ones.

 

[pecheux]

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I am surprised that nobody on this board even mentioned once (correct me if wrong) that the Amsoil 2 cycle Saber outboard oil mixed at a 100:1 ratio is favorable to less air and water polution and toxicity, not to mention your lungs health if you'r in the boat. According to Amsoil using their Saber Outboard oil at the recommended 100:1 mix ration reduces polution by 30% Now aint that worth talking about ?

 

[Chief101]

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Originally posted by pecheux:<br /> I am surprised that nobody on this board even mentioned once (correct me if wrong) that the Amsoil 2 cycle Saber outboard oil mixed at a 100:1 ratio is favorable to less air and water polution and toxicity, not to mention your lungs health if you'r in the boat. According to Amsoil using their Saber Outboard oil at the recommended 100:1 mix ration reduces polution by 30% Now aint that worth talking about ?

That one has been beat to death on these forums. Chief Chief

 

[WillyBWright]

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Here's an idea...go out and get some Amsoil motor oil for your vehicle and only put in Half. Or get some Amsoil gearlube for your differential and only put in Half. How about Half of the ATF in your transmission? Is that why you buy synthetic oil? To spend more to use less? Would you feel safe? You buy synthetic to take full advantage of it's superior qualities and you can only accomplish that by following the Motor maker's recommendations.

 

[pecheux]

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Sorry Chief 100 I am new here and did not know this. Since I am presently working on a water anti-polution project to extend 2 cycle motors usage on certain northern lakes this subject would have been worth reading for me. <br /><br />Cheers

 

[Chief101]

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Originally posted by pecheux:<br /> Sorry Chief 100 I am new here and did not know this. Since I am presently working on a water anti-polution project to extend 2 cycle motors usage on certain northern lakes this subject would have been worth reading for me. <br /><br />Cheers

If you are so concerned you might be able to get away with underlubricating 2 stroke outboard motors if you are going to buy new engines every year. Another alternative is to use 4 stroke engines and find an environmentally friendly way of disposing old changed oils. Don't be sorry, start a new thread that voices your own concerns. There's some very smart and responsible people here that would be happy to toss around new ideas. Chief Chief

 

[Chief101]

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Oh yea, welcome to the board and you can do a search on "2 cycle oils" and you will understand what I am saying when I say "beat to death". You likely know that as this thread was dug up from a year ago. Chief Chief

 

[pecheux]

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Thank you Chief 100,<br /><br />Any chance I could get a bottom line results recap regarding 100:1 mix = less polution ?<br /><br />Will check 2 cycle oils anyway,<br /><br />have a great day (hopefully fishing ... LOL)

 

[pecheux]

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Chief 100<br /><br />I cant seem to find my way to this 2 cycle oil forum ... can you help ? <br /><br />Tx

 

[studlymandingo]

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Have you used the red "search" button at the top of the page? <br /><br />Welcome to iboats!!! Feel free to post a new thread on the subject, you'll get a great deal of responses I am sure.

 

[Chief101]

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At the top of the page hit the red button that reads SEARCH. Then in the first place to type something type "2 cycle oils". I just did that and got several pages of threads. Most of the oil related threads are a couple of pages long. Good luck. <br />The fishing yesterday was good.