How Screwed Am I?

steddy

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Okay-
I started winterizing my boat tonight, but was interrupted by rain. I have a 1991 Thompson with the 4.3 Alpha 1 Mercruiser that I've never winterized before (just got it last week). I've done my 1988 Chaparral with the 3.0 Mercruiser successfully a couple times after being shown how by someone that knows what they are doing, so I feel pretty confident, especially with all the advice and expertise available on this forum.

I warmed up the engine for about 10 minutes on the muffs in the driveway, and shot fogging oil down the carb on and off for about 10 seconds until the engine almost died, then shut it down. Turned off the spigot and removed the muffs. Then started looking for the drain plugs. Found the 2 on the block, and 4 on the manifolds (2 each). I hear tell I may have missed one or two near the water pump on the front of the engine, maybe? I'll search for those tomorrow. No big deal there, as long as I find them. I figure the water is diluted enough from filling the hoses with antifreeze even if I don't find them. Anyways, I drained the water & reinstalled the plugs. Then started dumping in antifreeze. Filled the manifolds and block (at least I think the block filled) through the hoses. Not being sure, I briefly removed a few of the plugs to confrim antifreeze here and there. Present and accounted for. Feeling good. Then, I removed the seawater intake line and dumped about a quart down that until the hose filled up then slowly drained out of the lower unit. Then filled it up one more time and reinstalled it (outdrive down, of course). Feel free to chime in with anything I may have missed.

I still have to change the oil & filter, no problems there. I changed & inspected the oil in the lower unit before the maiden voyage/last trip for the year - good there, too. Still don't fully know where the impeller is for the water pump, but I can look that up later. Never did anything with one of them. I do have the service manual for the outdrive, though.

Here's where I went wrong: :redface: Like the newbie idiot that I am, I forgot to add the Sta-Bil to the gas tank before running it. I'm all done with the boat for the year. I know better than to run it without muffs or being in the water. I'm positive (again, like an idiot) that I will get the boat back out late April to early May next year, maybe earlier. Am I going to need to un-do all my winterizing to run Sta-Bil through the carb? Will the gas in the carb and in the fuel line go bad in that amount of time? I can easily add Sta-Bil to the gas tank now, so I'm not worried about that part. My fear is that the fuel line and carb won't be protected.

What do you guys think? How long will that fuel keep? I'm not anticipating more than a 6 month lay-up. Should I de-winterize and start over?
 

Bifflefan

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Re: How Screwed Am I?

Id leave it. I know winter in MI is long, but it will be fine.
I do the sta-bil on the last trip then i dont for get about it.

You can get some seafoam or sta-bil and put in the tank, then drive it around the block to give a good mixing, Poor a bit in the float bowl vent hole and then (now this is tricky) remove the fuel line from the carb, put a hose on it to a bucket, take off the gas cap and take an air line off a compressor, wrap a rag around it and stuff it in the tank fill hole, SLIGHTLY pressurize the tank and wait a sec. Fuel should come out into the bucket, if not give it a bit more air and wait again for the fuel. When it flows, let a quart (ish) go into the bucket and then the treatment is in the fuel lines too...:D

Doing this is your punishment for forgetting.....:eek:
 

boat1010

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Re: How Screwed Am I?

My personal thoughts are don't worry about it. I live in Nebraska and have had my boat for 7 years now and never have put sta-bil in the fuel. I have never had any problems. Well thats my $.02 worth..
 

JB

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Re: How Screwed Am I?

That is not an outboard. This is an outboard forum.

Moving to I/O
 

Silvertip

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Re: How Screwed Am I?

Never using a fuel treatment is not a good recommendation but then that all depends on how long the lay up will be. Chances are there will be no problem but you should had Stabil or SeaFoam to the tank and just shake the boat a bit. You don't need to drive around the block. In my view 50% insurance is better than no insurance when it comes to fuel system protection. Now on to the oil change. You should have changed engine oil and run the engine (after adding fuel treatment) before starting any of the winterizing. This allows the contaminated oil to be flushed from the bearing journals, lifters, cam, etc and replaced with nice clean oil that doesn't have the acidity old oil would.
 

Schmoe

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Re: How Screwed Am I?

You'll be perfectly fine for anything less than a year. Hopefully you didn't put that cheap ethanol gas in there......
 

sickwilly

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Re: How Screwed Am I?

Why not unhook the likes to the carb, pull the carb, drain the get the gas out of it, spray it down with carb cleaner, blow air through it, and then re-install?

You can dump stabilizer in the tank and trailer the boat around a little and get it all mixed in, but it wont make it to the carb.

The biggest con you have is the untreated gas in the carb building up varnish in the passages.

My boat was only used 14 hours the first two years of its life. It badly needs a carb cleaning because of this. I have done everything right since buying it, but still varnish in the carb seems to be getting worse. I don't think you can adequately clean it out with in the tank additives. Your best bet is to keep it clean and keep you gas stabilized. Thus, this year, after I winterize, the carb is coming off and rebuilding it is going to be my winter project.

I fear you might be accelerating your need for a carb cleaning if you don't get the gas out of the card, or get some stablized gas into the carb.

My $0.02
 

HT32BSX115

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Re: How Screwed Am I?

Here's where I went wrong: :redface: Like the newbie idiot that I am, I forgot to add the Sta-Bil to the gas tank before running it.
Don't worry about it.

Your boat will not set for more than about 9-10 months anyway. I have used gas that was 2 years old with no problems.... I just mixed in fresh gas to dilute it.

If it bothers you, then siphon all the gas out of your tank and use it in your car. When Spring comes fill the boat with new fresh gas and go boating.

And I wouldn't worry a lot about condensation in the tank either....


So,
How Screwed Am I?
Not at all....


Cheers,


Rick
 

Chris1956

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Re: How Screwed Am I?

I would dump the fuel stabilizer into the fuel tank, and give it some time to mix. You can remove the raw water hose from the engine, and put the muffs on the water intakes and run the motor for a few minutes to warm it up, and then change the oil. Let the waterpump pump the water into the bilge. The motor will be cooled by the antifreeze in the manifolds and block, for a while. However, don't allow it to overheat.
 

steddy

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Re: How Screwed Am I?

Thanks for the advice all; I feel much better now.

Sorry about the wrong post location. Once again, newbie idiot.

That makes sense about the oil change before warm up. It seems pretty obvious now, doesn't it?
 

Lou C

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Re: How Screwed Am I?

the only thing that concerns me is that you didn't pull off the big hose for the engine circulating pump (wate pump on the front of the engine)...that holds a lot of water that will not drain from the engine block drain plugs....Id' want to loosen the hose and make sure AF comes out...if not just loosen the bottom connection of the hose at the water pump and let the water drain...then re-fill the block to be on the safe side....I remove all the drains first...then I remove the hose going from the thermo housing to the engine water pump.. at both ends....this drains the pump itself and some of the block...then I replace the bottom connection of this hose...finally start pouring AF in that hose till a little comes out the block drains...replace the drain plugs and then fill the block till AF comes out the thermo housing...then re-connect the hose to the thermo housing...then the block is protected....
 

justchange

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Re: How Screwed Am I?

Id leave it. I know winter in MI is long, but it will be fine.
I do the sta-bil on the last trip then i dont for get about it.

You can get some seafoam or sta-bil and put in the tank, then drive it around the block to give a good mixing, Poor a bit in the float bowl vent hole and then (now this is tricky) remove the fuel line from the carb, put a hose on it to a bucket, take off the gas cap and take an air line off a compressor, wrap a rag around it and stuff it in the tank fill hole, SLIGHTLY pressurize the tank and wait a sec. Fuel should come out into the bucket, if not give it a bit more air and wait again for the fuel. When it flows, let a quart (ish) go into the bucket and then the treatment is in the fuel lines too...:D

Doing this is your punishment for forgetting.....:eek:



I like this idea!!!! Great Suggesion!!!!!
 
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