How to get up on a wakeboard tips - newbie

Geo2008

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Any tips on how to get up on a wakeboard? Also, how fast should I take off and cruise while wakeboarding?
 

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Re: How to get up on a wakeboard tips - newbie

Any tips on how to get up on a wakeboard? Also, how fast should I take off and cruise while wakeboarding?

Here is the tip I give to all first time boarders when getting up (and most get up their first time) - knees to elbows. Lock your knees inside your arms. This will cause the boarder to crouch. Hold that position until the board is on plane. Slowly stand up and you'll naturally gravitate to your riding position. Keep the board on edge - usually heelside is easier for most people.

Take off slow! Ease into the throttle and the boarder will be up quickly. Most boarders can be outside the wake before the wake has a chance to form.

Towing speeds varies - but 20mph is a good rule of thumb. Smaller riders usually a bit slower, larger riders a bit faster.
 

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While in the water, have the board perpendicular to the boat with the rope in between your feet. Bring your knees up to your chest a bit, put your forearms on your knees. This helps take some of the force off of your arms. Also, use your toes to initially keep the bottom of the board on a 45 degreen angle; this helps the board lift out of the water. As the boat goes, not too fast, you want to keep your weight back, if your hands get in front of your feet, you are done. Keep your weight back, you will feel like you are plowing a ton of water at first, cause you are, it's ok, the board should start to lift out of the water, as it does, pull the rop to your front hip and start to rotate your hips to a riding position.
 

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Re: How to get up on a wakeboard tips - newbie

Thanks for the tips!

Also, does it take more effort to ski or to wakeboard? Which one wears you out faster?
 

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Re: How to get up on a wakeboard tips - newbie

Thanks for the tips!

Also, does it take more effort to ski or to wakeboard? Which one wears you out faster?

it is MUCH harder work to get up and ride a ski than a wakeboard. Speed and force required to keep a single ski on plane is a LOT more than a wakeboard.

Another way to come out of the water that i've recently started using - and find easy and natural...

Put the board directly below you - deep in the water, perpindicular to the boat, arms straight out in front of you. Bend your knees as if you're sitting in a chair. Lift your toes slightly so the leading edge of the board is above the back edge. Give the driver the ok. As the boat accelerates the board will float quickly to the surface, drop your back foot and pull the handle toward your leading hip -- you're off.
 

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Re: How to get up on a wakeboard tips - newbie

What do you mean by this statement, my feet are in the bindings and can not move?

Geo, I read this to mean your back foot would have more weight on it, thus lower "dropped" in the water to keep your weight back... if you let the weight get forward (as stated in the earlier post), you are in the drink.

Thanks for the posts all, the tips work great!
 

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2 factors in getting up on a wakeboard. The driver of the boat and the wakeboard itself. You need a wakeboard that is right for your height and weight with bindings that fit. If you are left foot forward, the rule of thumb is to have the left binding at a 45 degree angle to the left and the right binding straight up. Make sure the bindings are spaced for your height by having someone first pull the rope while you are in the water in a full crouch position with your hands over the front of the board. If you let go of the handle it will not smack your feet. Stay in this crouch position while someone pulls the rope and you don't feel awkword with the binding spacing. Adjust until it feels right. The driver must have the boat in front not to the side of you. Use a signal such as hit it to get him to start. Keep your arms perfectly straight and let the boat pull you up. If you are not in a full crouch you will absorb the pull of the boat and not the board. You will never get up if you don't let the boat do the pulling. The driver needs to pull you up slowly but not too slowly. If he pulls you up like a skiier, too fast, you will fall forward. You also have to make sure that there is no wake working against you when you are starting out. If the water is not like glass wait till it is. Once your board is up you can then stand up keeping your arms straight. If you come up outside the wake, who cares. Get comfortable and the rest will happen by itself. If you are right foot forward, just do the opposite and set the bindings up the other way. After you can cross the wake and feel comfortable crossing over, then move the straight up binding the the 45 degree position so that both feets toes are pointing in opposite directions. Have fun and make sure the driver of the boat knows how to wakeboard.
 

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Re: How to get up on a wakeboard tips - newbie

Geo, I read this to mean your back foot would have more weight on it, thus lower "dropped" in the water to keep your weight back... if you let the weight get forward (as stated in the earlier post), you are in the drink.

Thanks for the posts all, the tips work great!

By "drop" I meant let it "float", or "slide" -- however you want to phrase it -- into position as your rear foot.
 

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By "drop" I meant let it "float", or "slide" -- however you want to phrase it -- into position as your rear foot.

hmmm, not seeing it. My wakeboard has both feet locked in. Not seeing how your back foot can move along the board. Then, if you 180/540 your back foot bocomes your front...:confused: I can picture this on a windsurfer, skateboard, surfboard.
 

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It doesn't ove along the board. What he means is, as the you begin to get up/stand up, rotate your hips so your dominant foot is forward and your other foot is back with a bit more pressure on it to keep the nose of the board up.
 

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Re: How to get up on a wakeboard tips - newbie

Youtube is a great resource for some good vids to help you get started

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3EhoodFTfA

The above is a good basic instructional, and includes some tips for getting up. There are some others...search youtube for "how to wakeboard"

However, anyone wanting to get into the sport in a more serious manner will be assured the best instructional by purchasing "the book" series on dvd. Get the first 2 dvds (5 dvds in all, each 90 minutes) "getting started" and "building a foundation."

These will teach you the fundamentals that will be critical to enjoying wakeboarding, and being able to advance into something other than just jumping wakes.

I went out for the first time in 15+ years just a month ago, and have been out 4 times. I am already able to land 180's switchfoot consistently now, and the vids above certainly helped me to get back into the sport and relearn much of what I had forgotten.

When I was younger, I was able to do pretty much everything on a directional board ( I have a thread here about that board posted a while ago) so this new board I have took a bit to get used to.
 

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Re: How to get up on a wakeboard tips - newbie

Gotcha, and thanks for the link. Had seen the vids in magazines & such, I just wasn't sure if they were worth it. Now, I have it on good authority they are, I'll give 'em a try.
 
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Hey Geo, check out this site. It has great instructions along with some videos for everything you need to know how to do on a board....

www.waketrix.com

Just remember to have fun out there!!
 

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Re: How to get up on a wakeboard tips - newbie

Ok...let me share my new experience to this sport. I'm 37 years old, 195 lbs, 6 foot 1, a reasonably competent open-water slalom skiier who can carve hard but has never had a chance to try a course. That's pretty much the extent of my watersports experience.

Bought a wakeboard over the winter at a KILLER clearance sale on Iboats. So I was committed to not wasting this investment.

First day of attempts, about 15 tries, never got up. "Just gimme the ski..." Went home VERY sore that day. Different muscle groups (groin mostly!)

2nd day of attempts, about 4 tries, didn't want to waste other people's time as darkness was falling. "Just gimme the ski..."

3rd day of attempts, got up on 4th try. Yippee!!! Holy crap is this thing SLIPPERY! Whoah, whoah, whoah, SPLASH! Got up instantly again. HOW THE HECK DO YOU STEER THIS THING???? SPLASH! Got up instantly again. same result. Went home VERY, VERY happy because I had the "gettup up on the stupid board thing" licked, figured learning the balance would come with time.

4th day of attempts. 15 tries, got up twice somewhere in the middle, balance worse than day 3, instantly fell down. Frustrated. "Just gimme the ski..." Drove myself nuts trying to figure out how I could succeed on day 3, and fail on day 4. Internet tips read profusely in preparation for day 5.

5th day of attempts (yesterday, incidentally). Got up on first try, and 2nd try, and 3rd try, and 4th try. Still figuring out the balance thing and still falling down, but doing better and riding it out longer each time. I can pretty much stay up indefinitely until I hit other boats wakes, or until I try to do a carving turn. But I REALLY think I've finally got this "getting up" thing down, and the rest will come with time and practice.

Now for a breakdown of what I have learned in my completely uncoached and self-learning trial and error process:

1. Boat speed/driver is EVERYTHING. Being a nearly 200 pound deep water slalom skiier behind a 3.0 runabout, all my drivers have always been trained to "just floor it and keep it there till it hits 28 or 30 mph, then hold that speed." So I drag and wait for the boat to build speed and then the ski climbs atop the water a few seconds later. I shoved many minnows through my nostrils on failed attempts before discovering that THIS TAKEOFF TECHINQUE IS A VERY BAD IDEA FOR A NEWBIE ON A WAKEBOARD. ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A HEAVIER RIDER. It continually either ripped the rope out of my hands because I was plowing SO much water, OR it just pulled my body up and over the board resulting in a forward summersault through the water. The driver had never wakeboarded either so he didn't really know what to do. My end result? I'd told the driver that first I'd get in the ready position (both feet pointed toward boat, then have the driver drag me at a fast idle (1,000 rpm?), and when I call ready just EASE into the throttle gently. Every time we've gone this route, I've eased right up out of the water with little effort. Due to the larger surface area, wakeboarding simply takes MUCH less power/accelleration/speed than slalom skiing. MUCH less. I can't stress this enough as it was hard for me to get my head around the concept. In fact I see little reason a 40 or 50 HP boat couldn't easily get a 200 pounder out of the water on a wakeboard. When you finally succeed you'll see what I mean.

2. 3 keys on positioning for me. a.) Hold handle parallel to water with both palms DOWN. This is contrary to when I ski, where both my palms are facing opposite directions and handle is perpindicular to water. b.) Elbows OUTSIDE of knees, with arms as straight as possible. This feels very awkward to me, and most of my first attempts were with elbows inside knees and knees spread wide. But then again day 1 of repeatedly trying with elbows inside knees (because it felt more natural) met me with 15 failed attempts and very sore groin muscles! My ONLY successes in getting up have been with elbows OUTSIDE of knees, regardless of how awkward and duck-footed it feels at first. c.) Toes pointed toward boat. Contract your calves while keeping your knees bent. Again this feels very unnatural, but it worked for me. Think of the ready position as "standing on your toes" in a crouching position, again with elbows outside of knees. Try this on the ground right now by your computer so you understand what I'm saying (and don't forget whle you're crouching there on the floor remember your feet will be locked in a position about 18 inches apart??? Ahh...that's where the awkward feeling part comes in...) And again I found this ready position to be much easier to get into and hold while boat was dragging me at a faster idle...1,000 or 1,100 rpm. It's pretty much impossible to hold while just sitting in the water with no tension on the rope and your feet are being floated up by the board at about the level of your nipples. I needed for that boat to be dragging me forward at a bit of a clip to give me some resistance to "squat against" in order to hold that position more comfortably.

3. Expect a fair tidal-wave-like wall of water to wash over the front of the board when you give the go signal. Some will hit you direct in the face. But then almost suddenly, like within a second, the board just leaps out of the water and you're gliding on top...at like 8 MPH with the boat still accellerating...and skidaddling all over the place like you're trying to negotiate a downhill driveway glazed over in smooth wet ice. Then, of couse, you'll fall down. But you got up! YEAHHHH! There is no question whatsoever, getting out of the water on a wakeboard takes MUCH less effort and strength than getting out on skis. It's the technique, and the accelleration speed, and the body positioning that are so drastically different. In my experiences, I think I've determined that boat speed/driver makes as much a difference than anything. If you feel like you can barely hang onto the rope and you're getting dragged like mad through the water on a wakeboard and just plowing a huge wall of water, then I would conclude the DRIVER likely made a big portion of your mistake, in that he/she took off too fast. Just tell your driver to try accellerating slow and easy...maybe at 1/2 or 3/4 the power he would normally take off with when someone skis. I think with a slower take-off you'll discover the water doesn't work against you nearly as hard, and it will be much easier to hang on and get yourself out of the water.

4. Once you're up, preferred boat speed seems (to me) to vary dramatically with body weight. My other buddy learned along with me recently on the same board (he was up on his 3rd try and never failed again...young 33 year old punk!), and after he figured out how to get out of the water he kept giving me thumbs down thumbs down until we discovered he favors 15 to 16 mph (he's only about 155 lbs). I personally feel like I'm sinking at that slow of a speed, and I seem to favor 22 mph to keep my 195 lbs up top without that dragging/sinking feeling. Maybe personal preference, maybe weight difference. Neither of us is sure yet, time will tell.

5. I make absolutely no concious decision to turn this board at any time in the process. Sometimes I pop out of the water when the board is still travelling totally sideways and then it straightens out after I'm up. And sometimes it's starting to turn with my dominant foot forward AS it planes out. Doesn't seem to really matter to me as it works both ways. With the boat slowed down and easing into a take-off, it plows for about 1/2 second and then just sort of pops right up top in most any position I happen to be in, which makes sense when you consider the massive surface area of these boards compared to a ski.

It took me some time, and as a "no-longer-a-kid-age-guy" trying to learn a new trick, maybe that means it took me longer. But I did learn the basics of getting up eventually. I'm a long, long way from an expert, and still trying to figure out how to turn and balance on this darn thing but I'm starting to see how it works. It's fun! And it is much less tiring than slaloming...a sport I can more easily grow old with...without tearing up my body and sapping my strength as much the slalom does. When you crash, you crash much less hard because you're going much slower than on a slalom (of course I'm not jumping yet!)

I have another friend I go with semi-regularly who slaloms first, until he's tired, and then while still in the water he hands me the ski and asks for a wakeboard and does a cool down/resting ride doing simple tricks on the wakeboard. He gets his strength back and RESTS while wakeboarding. And now that I've gotten up I can see why he does that. It really is that much easier on your body. But it feels VERY, VERY different. So if you've been skiing a long time, it does not mean you'll have a "get up on the first try" freebie when you try to wakeboard.

I just thought maybe a fresh view from some who JUST learned how to lick this silly thing after many failures would help someone else. Afterall, sometimes the more expeirenced people trying to coach a newbie have a very hard time explaining exactly what they do, because they simply don't think about it anymore. And I'm keenly aware that I'm VERY green at this sport, and also aware that what works for me probably won't work for everyone else. But maybe it'll help a little. Trust me, I'm thinking about it a LOT right now!

Have fun!
 

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Re: How to get up on a wakeboard tips - newbie

Good stuff there C1C - and basically parallels my experience with every skier trying to wakeboard I've been around.

As far as the board feeling squirly once you're up -- what size fins are on it?

One suggestion on riding it once you're up -
With skiing - the handle force basically comes straight through your arms to your shoulders...with wakeboarding you always need to use just a little arm strength to pull the handle to your front hip. Not to physically have the handle closer to your hip, but just to have some force pulling in that direction.
It's one of the keys to keep the board parallel with the boat, and your weight squarely over the board.
It's a fundamental I always have to go back to when my riding is out of whack. If I'm not doing that the problem is amplified on jumps.

A couple pix for fun :)

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Re: How to get up on a wakeboard tips - newbie

C1C - funny thing is that you were basically writing my own story absolutely verbatim, nearly the same age ( I'm, 3 yrs older), the same tries, the same conclusions, and ultimately is sounds like we are in the same position with the overall learning process. I can now get up no problem but yeah that thing is much more slippery than a ski.

The last time I was out, I was worn out by the time I remembered the advice about pulling to your lead hip. I never really have gone more than 200 yards without falling and the whole time I am up it feels like a miracle if I last a few more seconds.

Also, after making an investment in the board, I'll be darned if it gets the best of me.

I am going to try again soon, hopefully it will be a good day,

BTW - hopefully you are wearing gloves, I learned that the first day with none.

Liquid Force - thank you very much for all the helpful pointers and the pics are super cool

Good Luck man!

ps - attached is a photo of my boat and driver:)
 

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After many failed attempts to teach her, I took my newbie wakeboarding daughter to a ski school. They started her off on a barefoot boom and a 3' rope. Pulled her UP immediately so she got the feel of getting out of the water. Then they put her on a short rope behind the boat. Again popped her right up. Was then ready for full-length rope and she has never looked back.

I now ALWAYS put newbies on a tower-mounted rope about 15' behind the boat. Pulls them straight up and out of the water with very little rope stretch and they are then ready for the real thing.
 

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Re: How to get up on a wakeboard tips - newbie

Good stuff there C1C - and basically parallels my experience with every skier trying to wakeboard I've been around.

As far as the board feeling squirly once you're up -- what size fins are on it?

Ummmmm....normal size fins? Whatever they came with. Here's the EXACT board I landed here on Iboats, with pretty comfy and functional bidings included, for like $70 over the past winter (I LOVE Iboats winter clearance sales!):

http://www.wakeworld.com/boardguide/getboard7.asp?ProductID=3031

According to that they're 1.85" fins. Mean anything to you?

Anywho, I'm VERY sure the slippery problem is caused 99% by a problem in my technique (I'm not using the edge of the board much to turn...mostly relying on the fin, and I am fully aware this is incorrect...GRADUALLY figuring out how to use the edge for turns), and I belive this feeling has little or nothing to do with my equipment. I very much appreciate your tips on holding the rope and I'll definitely keep them in mind! Thank you!

And yes, Geo, I always wear gloves. My grip has always been my weak point when skiing, and out of pure habit I've always worn gloves to help me combat that. Not sure if they're totally necessary, but I have found they do prevent blisters and help you grip longer with less fatigue and greater comfort. Definitely a good tip for anyone, IMO!
 

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Re: How to get up on a wakeboard tips - newbie

After many failed attempts to teach her, I took my newbie wakeboarding daughter to a ski school. They started her off on a barefoot boom and a 3' rope. Pulled her UP immediately so she got the feel of getting out of the water. Then they put her on a short rope behind the boat. Again popped her right up. Was then ready for full-length rope and she has never looked back.

I now ALWAYS put newbies on a tower-mounted rope about 15' behind the boat. Pulls them straight up and out of the water with very little rope stretch and they are then ready for the real thing.

I've read from MANY sources that a short rope helps. Actually, I had it in my head that if I failed again yesterday I was going to shorten the rope by about half and try just that. But I didn't fail on my first attempt with a 60 foot rope (just happens to be what I usually ski with), so I just went with it on my first try and it worked. I do wonder if I could have learned faster if I learned the short rope tip earlier...I'll never know. After I improve my balance and turning basics, I'll play with rope length so I can mess more with the wakes and try some little jumps....I do understand my rope is likely supposed to be shorter than 60. A short rope was DEFINITELY my next plan of attack though, and probably a very good thing to mention to others who are still struggling with getting out of the water. As for a tower, I don't have one...and I presume many of us wakeboarding rookies probably don't...yet.
 
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