How would you handle this problem?

[Rianny]

We have a Johnson 15 hp motor Model #15R74S. Ran perfect for over an hour then began sounding like the motor was "bogging" down. Took motor to the shop and asked him to put a new fuel pump and rebuild the carb on it as well as find out what the problem was if that didn't correct it. He rebuilt the carb, put new fuel pump on... that didn't remedy the problem. Then he replaced the coil, condenser and it still wasn't running properly. He then told us (after 2 weeks) that after none of that solved the problem, he went back in the carb and found the main jet missing. I know nothing about motors, but tell me, how can a main jet be missing and the motor run perfectly for an hour or more??? After he told us this, I went and picked up the motor and he told me that he removed the new fuel pump and put the old one back on it..(later learned there is NO fuel pump on it whatsoever) What should we do? Thanks in advance for your help!

 

[bean]

Re: How would you handle this problem?

sounds like you're getting hosed. I'd be asking how he missed a missing main jet when he rebuilt it...I would think obvious for a pro.<br />How did you pay?

 

[Rianny]

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He charged us $64.00 for the rebuild, starter gear, and an hours labor. On the invoice he put in parenthesis that he "found main jet missing" underneath the carb rebuild price. Before I paid, I asked him how he could rebuild without noticing main jet missing..."Deer in the headlights look" then he said you don't have to fool with main jet to rebuild...ended up with him tearing up bill and telling me I didn't owe him anything. (Reckon he didn't think a gal would know stuff like this..I ended up leaving him a check for the things he said he did. Told him to do whatever he wanted to with it...I really wanted to tell him what I wanted to do with it... FYI..he was highly recommended by several people.

 

[RICKRICK1]

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Rianna<br /><br /> You need to get a manual on your motor, this will give you more than enough info to keep this from happening again. I'm sure that the mechanic was miss leading you. Sorry that it happened but dont give up on other mechanics there are alot of honest ones. Hope you find one.

 

[Joe Reeves]

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Rianna...... Model #15R74S is a 1974 15hp Evinrude, and it does have a fuel pump. The high speed jet on that model screws into the center bottom portion of the top carburetor body. It would be impossible for the engine to run properly with that jet missing. If it is missing, the mechanic lost it. It sounds like his knowledge in the marine line is somewhat lacking.

 

[12Footer]

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What Joe said...And the other posters. Besides, if the main jet was missing, it would've fallen into the botton of the fuel bowl, and he would only have to screw it back in.

 

[Rianny]

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Thanks for the replies. I need to clarify something I said earlier about the fuel pump. We had one on the motor when we took it to the shop. Now there isn't one. He told me he put our old one back on it because without the main jet the motor would not run...hah, goes to prove that the main jet was there when he tested the motor on one of our many visits to pick it up, right?? Thanks Joe for letting me know what motor this is. One question for you...I lucked up and found a main jet for a Johnson,not Evinrude, the guy modified it using the info I gave him...will it fit? One last question, how do I go about finding a manual? Thanks again for all the help!

 

[Rianny]

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Joe, I went and looked at the tag with the model and serial number. It has Johnson Outboards on it. I'm not doubting you, but how can I be sure it's an Evinrude? The serial number is E3985503. As you can tell, we have lots to learn about this!! Thanks again for your help!!

 

[Joe Reeves]

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Rianna..... Whoops, I should have said "Model #15R74S is a 1974 15hp Johnson". Hey, shows you're paying attention (grin). The only difference between the Johnson and Evinrude 1974 15hp is the color of the paint so no harm done. The high speed jet, Johnson or Evinrude, would be the same.... BUT make absolutely sure that it is the correct size. For instance, A 9.9hp jet would fit but it wouldn't perform well.

 

[Rianny]

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Thanks for the info Joe. I "try" to pay attention but some things kinda fly over my head, like the 9.9. I have no idea what that is. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the guy we're getting the main jet from modified it to work properly. Hopefully the new mechanic will know what he's doing. So, should we try to get any reimbursement from the guy that pulled a fast one on us, or just chalk it up to live and learn?? I can't remember if I said earlier that when we called to see if the motor was ready, there happened to be another one there just like it, makes us wonder if we became the "parts place" for that motor... Thanks again for all the help!!

 

[Joe Reeves]

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Rianna.... The 9.9 mention refered to a 9.9hp Johnson or Evinrude high speed jet.<br /><br />The following pertains to the fuel passage hole in the jets. The 1974 9.9hp uses a .051 (51 thousands) high speed jet. The 1974 15hp uses a .060 (60 thousands) high speed jet. The size is marked directly on the jet.<br /><br />When that fellow tore up the bill, I'm sure that in retrospect, you'll agree that you should have made a hasty exit from his place of business. It does sound like he used parts from your engine, especially since the fuel pump is missing along with that high speed jet.<br /><br />I couldn't advise you as what to do as I'm not a lawyer. However, since you asked (and this is hypothetical), if it were me in your position, and of course this would apply to myself only, I would have a print out (and copies) of this entire posting of which I would present the fellow with a copy, letting him know that in thinking this experience over, I am quite unhappy, and that if I didn't get a full refund, I would be taking him to small claims court. I wouldn't care how he took that notice as I would have no intention of ever using his services again.

 

[Hooty]

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... or you could poison his well and chop down all his pecan trees.<br /><br />c/6<br /><br />Hooty

 

[Rianny]

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I hate to keep bothering yall, but I have another question...I need to make sure of this...is there any way possible to rebuild the carb without seeing or removing the main jet? He said there is and I just wanted to make sure of it. Thanks again...and, cute Hooty, that made me giggle..

 

[gateway]

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The man's a crook...you cant miss I mean "cant"<br />miss a main jet in a carb rebuild! the fact he told the bull about the fuel pump is case enough.<br />You said he came highly reccommended...probably because you are the first to question the crap he is telling everyone. I know of a boat shop that is playing everyone around here because he is the only one around for about 50 miles...I caught him in his lies, but still I here everyone talk about how good he is and how nice and friendly he is.<br />There are dirty people out there...just confront him about the fuelpump and see how he act's? tell him you want to buy another pump to keep in your garage in case the one he put back on goes bad...he will reviel his true identity real fast.<br />Good Luck,<br /><br />no4njnk

 

[Joe Reeves]

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Rianna.... In order to rebuild a carburetor, one must completely dismantle it. However, if you simply removed the float chamber (the bottom portion of the carb) from the carburetor, the brass high speed jet would be staring you in the face.<br /><br />There's an old saying, which the fellow could use for his motto.... goes like this:<br /><br />If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, buffalo them with bull___t !

 

[Rianny]

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I just wanted to thank yall again for all the help and info you gave us. We received the main jet in the mail yesterday so we're taking the motor to someone who knows what he's doing...well, I'll get back to ya on that one later..lol<br />I spoke to the guy last night that is going to take a look at it and he said the same thing yall did...the motor wouldn't have run for over an hour perfectly with the main jet missing. He seems to think it's something minor wrong with it, so, I reckon we'll find out this afternoon...Yall keep your fingers crossed for us!! We're itching to become "river rats" lol<br />Thanks again so much for all the help...hope I didn't wear out my welcome....