how would you recommend repairing this hull

Davinciman

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

Holy Crap! What hit it... a freighter?
That thing is pooched. It will always be a Frankenstein now.
How to fix: Gas + Match = fixed.
Sorry
 

erikgreen

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

Well, I'll give a realistic assessment based on what I see in the pics.

The boat took a catastrophic hit. To make it safe (which hopefully you are going for) without spending unnecessary time on it, you will need to:

* Strip the interior out, including the deck, down to the hull structure. Check all structural members for cracking and green breaks (bending). Use graphite or a similar powder to look for cracking in the interior glass structure.

* Plan on replacing about half the side where the hull got hit. It's been hit hard enough to fracture the glass in a crack, so there's a really good chance some of the layers of glass have delaminated. If that's the case, you need to re-establish solid glass there, the easiest way will be to remove and re-create that section of hull.

A professional shop would do this one by taking molds from the other side of the hull and flipping them around.. the only way the broken side will look factory new again is either that plus a lot of sanding and fairing work, or getting the original factory mold and using it to make a half hull section as a replacement.

* re-structure the hull as needed once the hull repairs are in place, replacing stringers, deck, etc. with solid material. Check the hull for balance at this point, fore/aft and port/starboard, and ballast as needed to make it right

* Replace the interior, re-using what you can from the original


I know what you want to hear is that you can use X, Y, and Z to patch the hull after pushing it back into place, and I'm sure this boat looked like a great deal sitting on the blocks. But you can't shortcut it and still be even remotely safe. A boat like this, built for speed, needs a strong hull, and a half-done repair won't cut it. Even a repair that feels solid probably will fail unless done properly (the hard way) when this boat is under way.

Most people wouldn't try this repair because they can see how much work will be involved. I applaud you if you do.

If you don't try the repair, you can still get a good hull elsewhere (should be easy to find a similar hull needing mechanicals instead of hull work) and combine the two for a good boat. Or, part this one out and you'll make your money back and then some, and use that to buy one of these in better condition.

You can NOT just patch this boat and use it.

Erik
 

GRANGER65

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

Thanks For All The Advice. I'll Keep You Guys Posted On How I Proceed.
 

ondarvr

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

Can it be repaired.. yes.. is it worth it.. maybe..

If the boat is complete and in running condition other than the FG damage and you want a big project, then yes it may be worth doing.

Get yourself a circular saw, big grinder, a case of grinding discs, a box of good dust masks, several sets of coveralls and some old clothes.

You should be able to cut off big sections of delaminated glass, but leave the outside skin if possible, this way you can keep the correct shape. After cutting and grinding off all the bad stuff you can start getting it back into the correct shape, read the hull extension thread on how to re-make a section of hull that doesn't exist.
 

AZSenza

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

A company I used to work for bought 2 wrecked airplanes. Very expensive 19 passenger Twin Turbo prop engines. One had a totaled Fuselage, one had a totaled wing. I spent the majority of 3 months mating the two. Moral of the story...take the good from one and use it to replace the bad of another...
p.s. that frankenstien plane never flew straight again, thank the airplanes gods for trim.
 

IVAZ

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

Some have already pointed out the delaminating. On fiberglass that was cracked that bad from impact it will be monumental delaminating. It will be delaminated in places where the outside still looks fine.
We tried to fix a 30' diameter FRP holding tank at my dad?s shop that was dropped from 15' by accident. At first just the part that smacked the ground looked bad but when we started checking it the problems really showed up. We grinded off a few layers that sounded suspect by tapping them with a hammer and found delamination that was in between good layers. The more sections we tested on the more delamination we found. We ended up scrapping the tank. Yeah you can do some repairs to make it look good but in the end the boat will still be damaged.
It will be like a band aid for a decapitation.
 

erikgreen

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

IVAZ, that's pretty much what I meant. You have to remove all the damaged glass, and you won't be able to find all of it without a complete disassembly so you can inspect the hull from the inside. Even large areas of delamination are possible to fix, you just have to pull them apart and replace the glass (gluing with epoxy, preferably). For a glass tank it's probably not worth it, but a high end boat, maybe.

I do like ondarvr's note about leaving the outside intact if possible, that could save this boat. Looks like only a couple areas with actual broken skin (as opposed to sections missing) so if that could be levered back into fair, then the inside layers stripped and replaced... it would look pretty good. I dunno why I didn't think of that, the number of transoms I've seen done here :)

I'll re-state what I said before, it's a large project but it may be worth it if the rest of the boat is good and you don't mind the work. If you're not interested in learning a lot about fiberglass work, or don't want to spend a year on it, then another hull is a better idea.
 

IVAZ

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

IVAZ, that's pretty much what I meant. You have to remove all the damaged glass, and you won't be able to find all of it without a complete disassembly so you can inspect the hull from the inside. Even large areas of delamination are possible to fix, you just have to pull them apart and replace the glass (gluing with epoxy, preferably). For a glass tank it's probably not worth it, but a high end boat, maybe.

I wasn?t contradicting you. You gave him good advice. The problem I see is that it will be very hard to find all the delamination.
The tank that my fathers shop built would definitely be worth fixing if it was possible. The tank was supposed to hold muriatic acid and it was going to sell for $180,000.
 

coastalcruiser

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

the baja is worth about 22k used if you can find one that has a blown engine much less! you will be much better off even if you sell all the parts and put that money towards a used baja. try a test ad in cl for the engine and drive, a whole new drive is about 16k try listing it for 8 or more 12??? just a ballpark price.
 

erikgreen

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

no it's not stripped at all. it is a 10 hour baja hammer that is almost new but was side swiped by another boat it is completely there


Um... if it was side swiped by another boat, did it sink? Did water get in the drives and electricals?

If so, was the engine "pickled" in diesel oil to preserve it after getting wet?
 

JaSla74

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

No amount of duct tape & hope will bring her back to her former glory. She'll always be damaged goods.
 

coastalcruiser

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

Originally Posted by GRANGER65
"no it's not stripped at all. it is a 10 hour baja hammer that is almost new but was side swiped by another boat it is completely there"


What do you mean by that? an anchored sailboat sideswiped a baja 454?? at night??
Please explain....
 

proshadetree

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

I dont know but from the small pics Id be stupid enough to try and fix it.But I would count all money and time spent as trash till I fixed it right or fixed it with that purty saw thingy.Make sure its right not half baked.That would be an epoxy all the way repair.
 

beezee28

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

The way I look at it, it is not worth the time nor the money or fix it. If you do patch it then you still have hull structure intregrity to think about. Looks like a pretty long tear on the side. But there again if you have the money and the time go ahead and do it, it is your $$$. There come a point when you have to say it cannot be fix and from what I can see this is the point.
 

maxum247

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

Have you thought about having a Marine surveyor look at it?
 

GRANGER65

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

no there was a fishing boat anchored with no lights fishing at night. he didnt see the boat because it had no lights and the baja hit it. it was brand new at the time with actually 5 hours on the boat. it has been sitting inside ever since until about a year agao when he lost his storage building. so a 9 year old brand new baja hammer with a fuel injected 7.4 and bravo one with a damaged side.
 

ondarvr

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

Pull it apart and see how bad it is.
 

Shizzy

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

a boat that has sat for 8-9 years (even indoors) is going to need some attention to get it back on the water anyway. lots of work. I hope it works out for you.
 

GRANGER65

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

to give an update, this is an update with some photos of what i've done so far. alot of work has gone into this, it's not done by any means but it's coming along. what you cant see in the photos are the hidden work inside the hull where i put some wood 1x1 runners fiberglass along the damaged side. that was tough. HERE IS A LINK TO THE PHOTOS
http://www2.snapfish.com/thumbnails.../otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish
 

legoman67

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Re: how would you recommend repairing this hull

you should use a free image host. I dont think anyone is going to pay to look at those pictures
 
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