Humminbird 595c vs 383c GPS Finder Compo

kandil

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Re: Humminbird 595c vs 383c GPS Finder Compo

Thank you dingbat this is very good reading material what I got is it is all about the transducer and that a Broadband Transducer Imaging is what I will look for thanks again
 

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Thank you dingbat this is very good reading material what I got is it is all about the transducer and that a Broadband Transducer Imaging is what I will look for thanks again

I don't think you will be able to get the specs on most consumer depth finders under a grand to even try to determine if they are broadband.

Not sure of the dual beam you are looking at, but the version used in the HB 797 SI and Quadra-beam is actually one transducer for the dual-beam 2D part. It is just fired at two different frequencies.
 

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You certainly will not need to look at the specs to determine if a head unit is broadband capable or not. It will be plastered all over the unit. A broadband sounder is nothing more than an adjustable frequency output

The latest generation of sounders are all going toward broadband in some form or another.

Lowrance, Garmin, Raymarine and Furuno all currently make black box broadband sounders. This Spring you?re going to see quite a few broadband sounders make their debut.

The new Lowrance HDS sounders are broadband. I have no idea how much they will cost but the current black box units are running right around $600
http://www.lowrance.com/en/Product...tion-System/HDS-5x-Multifunction-Echosounder/

Furuno has gone as far as to make the transducer frequency manually adjustable for the ultimate in broadband utilization.

The info I really want to look at is the cone angle explanation. Hummingbird rates their transducers at -10db. The industry standard in -3db. Depending on the quality of the transducer you may not be seeing anymore with the HB 60 degree cone than you would with another manufacturer?s 20 degree cone rated at -3db.

Buyer beware
 

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Yes, everyone hates the way HB rates their cone angle, but in this case he is comparing two HB's against themselves.

That article provided some very good info on cone angle, transducer construction, how they work, etc but most of it was focused on transducer specs, which I haven't seen in sub-$1000 consumer units. Quality Factor (Q), Trasmitting Voltage Response, and Receiving Voltage Response, and subsequent graphs might be provided on request. Don't know, but you would also need to know the test environment to make sure you are comparing apples to apples. Marketing always creates the best looking graphs. ;)

The future units that will be able to adjust frequency sound very interesting and can see where it may have some benefits. Most fisherman that would spend the time to work with all that adjustment are very serious about their sport. Most recreational fisherman don't even use their current finders to the best of their ability. How many times have you seen people with the fish symbols on and sensitivity set at default?

My point was that he will not be getting a broadband transducer with a unit in the price range he is currently looking. I also don't think he needs to worry about such features in that price range and for a beginning fisherman.


FWIW, I did enjoy reading the article. Q and the discussion on ringing and response brought me back to my loudspeaker design obsession days. :)
 

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Ok I think I am going to hold until the new Lowrance hds-5 go on the shelfs and save some more $ for it. you can pre order on ebay for about $750.
I found this Lowrance HDS-5 Multifunction Fishfinder/Chartplotter w/ 83/200 kHz Transducer
@ http://www.ebuyersworld.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=34245&CartID=1
from ebuyersworld.com did any one buy from them befor? thanks
 
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Yes, everyone hates the way HB rates their cone angle, but in this case he is comparing two HB's against themselves.

That article provided some very good info on cone angle, transducer construction, how they work, etc but most of it was focused on transducer specs, which I haven't seen in sub-$1000 consumer units. Quality Factor (Q), Trasmitting Voltage Response, and Receiving Voltage Response, and subsequent graphs might be provided on request. Don't know, but you would also need to know the test environment to make sure you are comparing apples to apples. Marketing always creates the best looking graphs. ;)

The future units that will be able to adjust frequency sound very interesting and can see where it may have some benefits. Most fisherman that would spend the time to work with all that adjustment are very serious about their sport. Most recreational fisherman don't even use their current finders to the best of their ability. How many times have you seen people with the fish symbols on and sensitivity set at default?

My point was that he will not be getting a broadband transducer with a unit in the price range he is currently looking. I also don't think he needs to worry about such features in that price range and for a beginning fisherman.


FWIW, I did enjoy reading the article. Q and the discussion on ringing and response brought me back to my loudspeaker design obsession days. :)
Airmar is the transducer OEM for Furuno, Raymarine and most of the 200 kHz and 50 kHz transducers used by Lowrance units. Most advertise what transducer is used on the system or let you select one of your choosing.

I hear what you are saying. In the freshwater fishing community you are right in your observations. The average recreational saltwater angler has spent a lot of money just getting into the sport. The tools of the trade are expensive and they tend to be much more astute when it comes to the latest in equipment and technology. I honestly cannot remember the last time I saw a recreational saltwater angler with fish symbols on their screen.

My intent here was only to educate. You cannot make an informed decision unless you know what is technology is available and at what price. In this case, it sounds like he has decided to put off buying right now in favor of saving up some money and buying technology that is light years ahead of what he was originally considering. The HDS units coming out in a couple of weeks offer 120 cone angles with much improved performance for not that much more money.

FWIW: Speaking of speakers, I have an all Mac stereo ;)
 

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That be the place :)
 

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FWIW, after some searching, I found a smoking 40%+ off deal on the Huminbird 767 ( w duel beam & GPS module) @ Cabela's. It's monochrome/B&W but has over twice the resolution as the others ( enough to reportedly track a 2" jig!). It's also based on the upper end 700 series so carries that technology and extra features. It normally sells for $500 they still have them for $299 (new in box) with free shipping. That's cheaper than the refurbed 595c. I'm waiting to install mine now.

I went to Cabelas looking for the Humminbird 767 combo, the clerk in the boating section told me they didn't have them but that I could order it there then come back in a couple of weeks and pick it up.:( I went into the Bargin Cave, was looking to see if there were any deals on fishfinders, looked on the shelve, there were 4 of the 767 combo's. :rolleyes I took it to the counter, asked the clerk if they were honoring the $299 price, he said yes, then he said we better check to see if everything was there as the box had been opened. We pulled everything out of the box, everything was still sealed in the bags, he got on his computer punched a couple of buttons, told me he could let it go for $260. :eek: I almost pulled him over the counter when I jerked it out of his hand. It may not have a color monitor but it will be good enough for my 14' Jon boat.:)

6bull
 

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You may want to hold off on the HD and have a look at the Garmin systems. Lowrance makes Hummingbird and Eagle which is why the layout looks so familar across the product line. I have a Lowrance 525c DF and it works fine but the new Garmins are the hot items. West Marine has all but done away with Lowrance in their store where I am. That could just be a price point thing with them but I know a lot of folks that think they are 10 times the product that the lowrance is.
 

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Re: Humminbird 595c vs 383c GPS Finder Compo

Hello I wonder if I can change the thread title to Humminbird VS Lowrance? how makes a better unit? Have a nice day.
 
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