I am thinking about building my own?

Bert1

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Hey, I am thinking about either finding an older 25 to 30 cabin cruiser (fiberglass hull) and refurbishing it or building my own from scratch (Using wood). Am I insane or is this dooable? Anybody with some experience that would be willing to volunteer some advice. Also looking for source for wooden boat plans. Thanks :confused:
 

petrolhead

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Re: I am thinking about building my own?

Absolutely, do it! Once again check out Glen-L www.glen-l.com for a great range of plans, around a dozen cruisers in that size range, and fantastic backup for builders via their website and builders forum.
 

JB

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Re: I am thinking about building my own?

Ahoy, Bert.<br /><br />Are you insane? Take the following test.<br /><br />1. Are you a boating person?<br /><br />If no, you are probably not insane unless you like cars, bikes, guns, or somethng like that.<br /><br />If yes, you are insane.<br /><br />Don't worry about it. You have lots of company here. :)
 

petrolhead

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Re: I am thinking about building my own?

Sanity is just a state of mind, and mine is in a right state!
 

crab bait

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Re: I am thinking about building my own?

you build a 30 foot cabin cuiser<br />gauranteed you'll be known about your neighbor hood as insane.. <br /><br />an so will your generation after you when it's all finally complete an the wood now-then is rotting...
 

Ralph 123

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One of the most impressive thing I watched as a kid was a master carpenter build a 40 foot cabin cruiser in his back yard. When he finished, he had to hire a big crane to lift it over his house. He took it for a couple of rides and then donated it to a boys club. He was an extraordinary man... The workmanship of on the boat was exquisite. The finish carpentry was something to behold. There isn't a day that goes by when I am working on my boat I don't think of him and that accomplishment. It really inspired me to restore my Formula some 20 odd years later.
 

timbo1963

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Thanks JB...I guess I am triple crazy according to your list. :D :( :D :rolleyes:
 

Winger Ed.

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Building your own boat is a really cool project. When I was a kid, our family Dentist built a beautiful 36' cabin cruiser in his back yard that a Annapolis Grad. patient of his designed & drafted up for him. It only took him 5 years to complete, and that was hiring part time wood workers, and getting help from neighbors on a regular basis.<br /><br /><br />It took me about a year to build "POCO LOCO", my 16' hydroplane. I figure it'd take me about that long to do the cabnits & interior of a 30-odd footer.... after the rest of it was done. And then you'd have awooden boat that you had to watch for rot, and repaint every few years, plus all the other hassels that go with a big boat made from termite bait.<br /><br /><br />If it was me, I find a salvage deal on a fiberglass hull, and re-build it. You should be able to find one for around $5-7,000. that is decent enough to start with--- maybe even on a trailer. It will take you about 20% the time and expense of building one from scratch.... or less.<br /><br />There is a pickup truck full of brackets, hardware, engine 'stuff', transmission/gearboxes, linkages, running gear (rudders, prop shafts, etc) window frames, glass, cabnits, etc. that you won't have to buy the materials for and/or fabricate. And that's before you get to the cabin and hull itself.<br /><br />Building your own boat is cool, but the bigger and bigger of a one you want,,, the less and less practical it becomes compared to restoring one.<br /><br />I built a 16 footer from Aluminum as much for the challenge and uniqueness of it. But its a stripped down, basic racing hull, and is about as simple of a design as ya can get after leaving the open fishing boat style. This thing is so basic that it doesn't even have a upholstered seat-- you sit on a throwable life jacket and the rear padding is provided by your life vest. No trim, no carpet on the floor, no windshield,,,, we're talking a very Spartan boat as far as creature comforts go.<br /><br />But I wouldn't build one any bigger, even if I was younger. As far as expenses, I'm into it for about $6,000***, not counting a $2,000 TIG machine and other tools I had to get.<br /><br />***<br />In that is $2,500 I paid for a bass boat to salvage. I got the 1988 (low time)150 Merc. Black Max. that runs like a new one, and a real heavy duty tandem axle trailer with 5 new tires & perfect bearings/hubs.<br />***<br /> <br />For a wooden 30 footer, I don't see you buying the materials for less than $30,000 unless you use pine & plywood throughout, and put it together with nails. <br /><br /><br />But you could get a salvageable fiberglass hull one in the 28'-32' range that was 15-20 years old for about $5,000 that someone hadn't kept up and had deteriorated, and/or the engine(s) didn't run.<br /><br />To repaint it, rebuild a single engine, re-do the interior, maybe new floors & walls & ceilings, new electrics,, doing the labor all yourself, You could realistically expect to spend about another 5,000ish or a little more. And in a year or two, for all intends & purposes, have a new boat.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Ed.
 

petrolhead

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The beauty of building it yourself though is that it's all yours!<br />And another thing for those who don't have unlimited funds, is that you pay for it gradually as you build it. There are a few times when you need to shell out a large amount, like buying the motor, or maybe ply if you have it delivered in one go, but the rest of the time it's just buying bits and pieces as needed so the cost is spread pretty evenly over the whole project. <br />I have nothing against restorations, the only thing I'd say is if you go that route then at least restore something really nice, not just some run of the mill tub that you bought because it was going cheap. If you are going to put a lot of time money and effort into this thing it should have a real "WOW!" factor when it's finished, apart from the reaction of others when they see it it's that that will help to keep you going at times when you wish you'd never started it!
 

Bert1

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Re: I am thinking about building my own?

Thanks for the good advice and the excellent link to Glen-L. I am still undecided, building my own seems interesting and challenging. I have also learned of another option open to me which I am leaning towards. There is a company here in New Brunswick that builds commercial lobster boats and is now also building cabin cruiser using the same hull mold and the hull is fiberglass. They are also selling hulls only. I will need to meet with them to get an idea of the price, but I was told that for about 10 to 15 K I could get a 25 to 35ft fiberglass hull. I would then need to build the interior myself. Big decision so I will take my time to decide. Thanks again for all your good posts. Oh, I guess I am insane after all. Talked to my wife about the project and she was looking at me like I had lost it. Knowing her, she will warm up to the idea. :cool:
 

Bert1

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I have a picture of one of their hulls and it looks sweet. I would like to post it but I cannot seem to figure out how? The company name is Guimond Boats. Here is a link to their web site: http://www.guimondboats.com/
 
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The only boat I ever built from scratch was a duck boat. It was plywood and pretty basic. It turned out good though, not bad for a fourteen year old (I've had this illness for a long time :D ).<br /><br />I've done several restorations, however. The idea of buying a hull from a quality builder sounds VERY intesting. One benefit is that it is a proven design and will perform well. They will also, probably, work with you on weight distribution, etc.
 

tmcalavy

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Do a web search for Tolman Skiff or Tollman Skiff. Very interesting design and homebuilt.
 

jshoes52

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Of course you're not crazy for thinking you can build your own boat. For what you're describing, a Tolman Skiff Jumbo sounds like the ideal hull. You can even buy the hull panels and stringers in kit form from www.skiffkits.com. For loads of info and photos, go to http://www.fishyfish.com/tolmanskiff.html <br /><br />There's also a very active and supportive Yahoo Tolman skiff group if you decide to build. Tolman's are very simple to build using stitch and glue and very little framing. They go together easily, and best of all, the design was developed and battle-tested in the waters off Homer. Alaska, so you know you're not building the first one of somebody's prototype design. I built a 20 Standard center console shown of Fishyfish and skiffkits, and it took between 300 and 400 hours. Started in November and launched in July. And remember the boatbuilder's (Red Green) prayer: "I am a boatbuilder. But I can change. If I have too. I guess..."
 

Winger Ed.

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Originally posted by Bert1:<br /> but I was told that for about 10 to 15 K I could get a 25 to 35ft fiberglass hull. I would then need to build the interior myself. :
That's realistic, and you'd end up with a strong, unique boat. <br /><br /><br />If you go that route;<br />You might also get them to set the powerplant(s) and rig it too. They will be set up to do it, get everything aligned & mounted correctly, and compared to the time and risk of not getting it right by doing that part yourself shouldn't be worth the hassel unless you already have a crane to get the engines up & into the hull, and expertise to do it. <br /><br />It might even work out that buying the engines from them and haveing them set it/them, could be cheaper than buying all the required stuff somewhere else as a one time retail customer rather than part of the 'package deal' you could get from the hull builder.<br /><br />Ed.
 

CTD

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Re: I am thinking about building my own?

How about ferro cement
 
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