I can't think of anything worse than this............

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To the World he may have been One person.
But to one Person he may have been the World.
 

Kiwi Phil

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I knew what this post was going to be about and avoided opening it for a while.
The 2 chaps that do work for me have a chipper with NO saftey bar.
The boss is barefooted ALL YEAR, climbs trees with chain-saw hanging off his waist etc. walks through broken ground. How the hull a snake hasn't....
He reckons his chipper is safe, as if a branch hooks you, just lean back as the blades pull the timber through.
When they come I send Anita out shopping and pray there won't be an accident. Makes me quite anxious, right to the end of my stomach.
Great blokes tho.
Cheers
Phillip
 

Ron G

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Well i feel for the wife and children.
But when you try to get around safty issues your going to get hurt,the same as snakes if ya play with snakes your going to get bite sooner or later.alot of people take machinery for granted so many times even the small hand tools can kill with stupidity running them.
 

roscoe

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Kiwi said:
The 2 chaps that do work for me have a chipper with NO saftey bar.
The boss is barefooted ALL YEAR, climbs trees with chain-saw hanging off his waist etc. walks through broken ground. How the hull a snake hasn't....
He reckons his chipper is safe, as if a branch hooks you, just lean back as the blades pull the timber through.
When they come I send Anita out shopping and pray there won't be an accident. Makes me quite anxious, right to the end of my stomach.
Great blokes tho.
Cheers
Phillip

Phil, please explain to me why you continue to use his service, and why you haven't hired someone else.

It must be an awful important reason.

Surely there are others that can do the job safely.
 

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After years of estabishing safety programs in an industrial environment, this is pretty much normal.

OSHA and safety committees etc. always focus on conditions, but at least 90% of accidents are caused by unsafe acts of workers. In order to have an effective safety program, you have to have serious teeth in rules againt not following proper proceedures, and enforce them.

The biggest problem is that a person is likely to get away with it 999 times in the 1000 that he tries it.

I've had to help untangle a guys' foot from a 2 foot diameter sprocket on a chain he didn't bother to lock out, and trust me, it's no fun.
 

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I've read that article numerous times... I know they tried to reverse it with no luck... Why the heck didn't they just turn the darn thing off!!??
 

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My BIL got his hand caught in a chipper while working for the Forestry Service. A stub on a log hooked into his glove and pulled his hand into the chipper. Yep, the safety was disabled. By the time he had lost all the fingers and half the palm of his right hand, he found the strength to pull his arm free.

Subsequent surgeries restored a thumb and pinky, but it's not what it used to be.

Unfortunatelly for that individual, he did not find the strength he needed to pull himself free.

I do feel for the family. And he must have been in total shock and disbelief, so hopefully he did not suffer much.

 

tommays

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Stoping the feed rollers is the ONLY saftey on a chipper

The cutting head takes a LONG time to spin down even if you kill the motor


Tommays
 

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tomatolord said:
You probably will find that this machines safety stuff was disabled - not worked - or a cable tie had it in the forward position.
Tlord

That's what I think, too. There's more to this story. One out of every two contractors I know uses a bunch of rigged up crap. The fellow down the street has a big diesel ditch witch that the clutch went out on in the spring of last year. He continued to use it. Last fall it took his left leg off at the knee. Heavy equipment demands respect and caution. Some people just don't get it until they get it...
 

Kiwi Phil

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ah roscoe...........Anita and I discussed this exact point over breakfast this morning.
At this point we think we will get them to just drop the trees and stack them for burning. (the biggest wouldn't go over 8" in dia)
The chips cause problems when used as mulch in the gardens....they attract white ants (termites), so burning seems a better option.
Have always used him bacause he does work such as mine.....all the rest chase the work with the Govt Depts and price themselves off the market with the small stuff.
This thread has made us re-think tho.
Cheers
Phillip
 

roscoe

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Kiwi said:
This thread has made us re-think tho.
Cheers
Phillip


I was hoping it would. Thats why I posed the question.

I couldn't see where saving any amount of money could undo the damage of me, or my family members seeing something like this.

Cheers - back at you.
 

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""The chips cause problems when used as mulch in the gardens....they attract white ants ""


And rob the soil of its nitrogen, as well.
 

Kiwi Phil

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Yes, that is correct re the nitrogen draw-down, but we have little option, as it seems the only means to keep the little moisture (from grey-water) we get from evaporating, soil turning dusty and things die.
I compensate by adding nitrogen.
If there was an easier way, I would do it.
we will soon be in our 7th yr of drought.
Cheers
Phillip
 

Mark42

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I did a search on yahoo for "man killed by log chipper". Its surprising how many men get sucked into log chippers every year.

 

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Freak accident. Shi$ happens.
 

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FOLLOW-UP ARTICLE

The brother of a man killed when he was pulled through a wood chipper said Wednesday that carelessness and faulty equipment were to blame for the tragic accident.

The family has established the Jeremiah Sanders Children's Benefit Fund, at First Banking Center, 3825 39th Ave., Kenosha WI 53144

Jeremiah Sanders, owner of J's Quality Tree Service, was pulled into a large industrial wood chipper Tuesday afternoon in Pleasant Prairie when he attempted to free a log jammed in the machine. Pleasant Prairie police spokesman Pete Jung said Sanders was pulled all the way through the chipper while co-workers tried unsuccessfully to stop the machine.

James Bennett, who had hired Sanders to clear branches out of his backyard in the 8900 block of 26th Ave. and witnessed the entire accident, said he couldn't believe how fast it happened.

"Shut it off! Shut it off!" the 81-year-old had yelled when he saw the machine grab Sanders' foot.

But, he said, the ordeal was over 20 seconds later.

Randolph Sanders said his brother's 21-year-old nephew was one of five crewmen trying to stop the machine. The nephew told him that the safety bar that is supposed to reverse the chipper's teeth failed to engage.

"There's almost eight feet of bar there to grab," Randolph Sanders said. "Jeremiah and his nephew were both pushing on the bar at one point, but it wouldn't reverse."

Sanders said his brother had just gone into business on his own last year and was using borrowed, unfamiliar equipment.

Jeremiah Sanders was the youngest son in a family of 11 brothers and sisters, all of whom live in Kenosha, his brother said. The avid duck and goose hunter had two daughters, ages 4 and 7, and another child on the way.

Sanders said that, especially for the sake of the children, he had reminded his brother often to be safer around wood chippers.

"It was stupid of him to put his foot in there, but the machine shouldn't have been there, either," Randolph Sanders said, adding that he hopes the accident compels someone to enforce yearly inspections of such equipment.

Occupational Safety & Health Administration officials would only say they were still investigating the accident, but another local tree serviceman said newer chippers, such as the one approved for 15-inch-diameter logs that Sanders was operating, are relatively safe because feed rollers can be quickly reversed.

Jeff Michaud, who runs Reliable Tree Service in Kenosha County, also said Sanders wasn't doing anything others in the tree service industry haven't done while on the job.

"If someone in this business says they haven't used their foot to free a log, they'd be lying," Michaud said.

From the Aug. 17, 2006 editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
 
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