i have a question about trolling motors.

Rakumi

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Particularly the MinnKota brand. How significant is the difference in motor power from 30, 40, and 55 lb thrust? And on an inflatable does varying performance matter more from the size of the boat or weight on the boat? I have the large excusion 5 but i do not have a lot of equipment weight with me.
 

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Re: i have a question about trolling motors.

On an inflatable top performance is directly proportional to boat lenght and max rated engine HP. Besides an awfull hull drag, those first entry Excursion type infltables have excessive rear tube flexing due to not having a build in transom. So just expect flat displacement speeds with any of those electric motors or any brand small portable OB.

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For that application, go with the 30 lb model. It will push the boat very nearly the same speed at the 55, but draw less current.
 

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Hey Rat,
Now I have seen this mentioned before in other places but why is that? I would figure 55lbs is almost double the power of 30lbs and there for should be twice as a fast right? But sometimes I hear people saying things like when it is windy or some waves that the higher thrust makes all the difference. I take my boat in the marina. My local marina is trapped off from where boats set off from the docks so you do not have waves but as you go around the inner land and to the outer waters, the basic waves are there (nothing too crazy). I am just wondering will the extra thrust make a difference or not. It is not about speed to me too much because I will not be going too far from land regardless because I feel with an inflatable you should be in sight of land at all times.
 

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Two reasons in this case. The first is that excursion 5 has a very low "Max" hull speed. Doesn't matter if you put a 20hp outboard on there, it isn't going to go any faster than about 5 mph. Biggest reason for that is what Sea Rider already explained about the excessive flex in the stern of the boat. The more power applied only wants to bend the boat in half and dig into the water, which it will do. All the energy of the motor is applied to pushing water. The more power you apply, the worse it gets. The speed of a trolling motor has little to do with it's thrust rating. Speed has everything to do with the prop pitch and RPM, which is almost exactly the same at top speed for both the 30 and 55. The advantage you get with the higher thrust is it can push more weight more efficiently, but not any faster. i.e. a 55 lb thrust motor on a boat as small and light as an Excursion 5 is simply overkill and the only thing that you'll notice different is that it eats through your batteries about twice as fast. You will gain no extra speed.
 

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... a 55 lb thrust motor on a boat as small and light as an Excursion 5 is simply overkill and the only thing that you'll notice different is that it eats through your batteries about twice as fast. You will gain no extra speed.

This contradicts what I've read and heard about electric trolling motors. It's my understanding that a larger motor at half speed will use much less battery than a smaller motor at full speed to move the same boat.
 

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This contradicts what I've read and heard about electric trolling motors. It's my understanding that a larger motor at half speed will use much less battery than a smaller motor at full speed to move the same boat.

This is true, but as I said, the RPM of the propeller is a consistent curve through the power band of the motors for each size in *this* application. That is, half speed on the 55 does not equal full speed on the 30. In order to get the same speed out of the 55, you have to apply full throttle, which burns almost twice as many amps. Batteries don't like heavy amp draws, which is one reason I'm suggesting to the OP a 30 lb motor in this case.

If you truly want to conserve energy without sacrificing speed, you need to go to a 24v motor which draws half the amps for the same size thrust rating. But now you're talking big bucks and serious overkill for a small inflatable. And still, the speed will remain the same. Trolling motors are matched to the size and weight of the boat they are to push (or pull). However, they are all designed to push that weight at the same speed.

If you want the motor to push a boat faster, you need to design a propeller with greater pitch (because the RPM is set). Some people have used model airplane propellers to accomplish this and many people have burned up their motors because it puts more load on the motors than they were designed to handle.
 
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Thanks so much rat. This will save me $100 bucks for when i do decide to buy a motor. I hope you are right. But truth is i have seen some youtube videos showing the 55lb appearing much faster. Before i end up making that purchase, is this really true? Have you seen some of those youtube videos?
 
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Thanks so much rat. This will save me $100 bucks for when i do decide to buy a motor. I hope you are right. But truth is i have seen some youtube videos showing the 55lb appearing much faster. Before i end up making that purchase, is this really true? Have you seen some of those youtube videos?

before you buy that glorified air fan, scroll down the forum and look for Jamaica bay boat meet and watch our gas motor boats haul arse. I bought a 50lb kota riptide from amazon (worst purchase ever) gladly they let me return it almost dropped 450 bux down the drain including the type 27 battery.
 
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Hey weimed, thanks for the info... but gas powered might be more than what i am looking for. I dont need speed boat level. And i would prefer not spending on gas on a regular bases.

Hey rat, would it be the case that if somebody could brace the rear of the inflatable to absorb the downward force like some wood or something, would that extra downward force be translated to forward thrust? If i could prevent some of the boat bending?
 

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Hey, can anybody tell me if a minnkota endura can be used in salt water? Have any of you used it and had troubles because of the salt water? Did it fail on you over time?
 

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Re: i have a question about trolling motors.

Rakumi,

All those entry level inflatables tend to bend aft tubes when engine pushes hard due to inflatable fabric being extremely thin, you can't put too much air or will blow the tube. Engine has transom mounts that doesn't give any rigidity either as compared to a built in transom found in the next inflatable level. So whichever engine brand you're going after, throttle enough as no to bend aft tube or you'll be varying your engine thrust as well.

Happy Boating
 
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Hey, can anybody tell me if a minnkota endura can be used in salt water? Have any of you used it and had troubles because of the salt water? Did it fail on you over time?

Based on there specs its designed for fresh water and the only salt water model they carry is the riptide
 

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hey rat, I have both the excursion and the mariner4. I think you would pretty much be wasting money going with anything over a 40-45. I have a 30 and the only time I have had any difficulty was when I was trying to head into a stiff wind. I believe a 45 would be ideal but 90% of the time the 30 has served me very well. From my understanding a 55 will not top out anymore than max 1 more mph, the only advantage comes in either wind or current and the 30 pulls much less on your battery. I have a 109ah battery and have been out up to 9 hours and never came close to killing my battery! and yes, you will need the riptide for saltwater, an endure will beging to rust out within a year.
 

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I have though of a possible mod to my m4, much like the newer guy Heath. Adding a small platform with a hinged lid to store battery and other goodies underneath. Freeing up the front of the boat plus having a casting platform.....the ideas and mods never end with this thing....geeezzzz!
 
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I have though of a possible mod to my m4, much like the newer guy Heath. Adding a small platform with a hinged lid to store battery and other goodies underneath. Freeing up the front of the boat plus having a casting platform.....the ideas and mods never end with this thing....geeezzzz!

I like heath's setup only if u plan to trailer it. Some of us don't have the luxury of a garage or driveway. That reminds me where's Chris haven't heard from him in a while
 

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I'm trying to find a used jet ski trailer for my m4, just extend the boards and it would be perfect!
 

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Who is Chris?
 

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AHHH....forgot about him, you know, we come and go....I had been taking a break lately, with a 9month old baby PLUS here in sw Virginia its beginning to to get to prime fly fishing trout weather so I haven't been on as much lately myself! but yes, I remember the whole dolly idea blowing up and then disappearing....hmmmm. I did however happen to put together a prototype bimini top for the m4 which I posted a youtube vid for. I'm about to get the m4 cranking again for fly fishing before getting to cold here in the mountains...probably early November. Hope to make another 4 or 5 trips out before then!
 
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