I know I am crazy! twin 20hp's on 14' row

red85k100rs

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Hi,
Ok 1st get this out of the way. I know I am crazy :) but its a good crazy.

I have a 14' alumacraft row boat. for the last 2 years I have run a 1968 johnson 20 HP motor. Well I picked up an identical motor and I want to put twins on my dingy. both motors are tiller motors but everything is there for controls and steering. I have a steering wheel and all the cables and pulley's (from a 59 century wood boat, it is real cool looking).
My question is will I find a counter rotating prop? I think I can get the motor to run backwards ...... does anyone know?

I am not concerned with the weight, as I will be sitting in the front of the boat so it should balance out. and not for rough water just on a calm river.

Most of the time it will only have 1 motor on it .... but every once and a while ..... i will have a fast row boat.

I know I will have to strengthen my transom but That is no problem.

thanks in advance for any help, thoughs, ideas.

chuck
 

kenmyfam

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Re: I know I am crazy! twin 20hp's on 14' row

Hi,
Ok 1st get this out of the way. I know I am crazy :) but its a good crazy.

I have a 14' alumacraft row boat. for the last 2 years I have run a 1968 johnson 20 HP motor. Well I picked up an identical motor and I want to put twins on my dingy. both motors are tiller motors but everything is there for controls and steering. I have a steering wheel and all the cables and pulley's (from a 59 century wood boat, it is real cool looking).
My question is will I find a counter rotating prop? I think I can get the motor to run backwards ...... does anyone know?

I am not concerned with the weight, as I will be sitting in the front of the boat so it should balance out. and not for rough water just on a calm river.

Most of the time it will only have 1 motor on it .... but every once and a while ..... i will have a fast row boat.

I know I will have to strengthen my transom but That is no problem.

thanks in advance for any help, thoughs, ideas.

chuck

Sounds kind of risky and scarey but I am sure you will not be the first to try this. You are going to be putting a lot of weight on the stern end of that little boat even though you will be sitting up at the bow end.
 

red85k100rs

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Re: I know I am crazy! twin 20hp's on 14' row

I have already hung both motors on the boat, no problems there, i think ..... I still have 8-10" of transom out of the water with me up front.
 

ddennis

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Re: I know I am crazy! twin 20hp's on 14' row

only 8-10?? You are gonna swamp that thing the first time out! Strongly not recomended..unless you are looking for a unique way to commit suicide! :rolleyes:
 

Silvertip

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Re: I know I am crazy! twin 20hp's on 14' row

Your existing steering cables are probably for a single engine. The throttle and shift control box is for a single engine and the prop you find (if you find one) will still be wrong unless you get the engine to run in reverse. You would be better off selling both motors and buying a 40. It will be cheaper in the long run, less maintenance and it will be faster.
 

steelespike

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Re: I know I am crazy! twin 20hp's on 14' row

What is the boat rated for.You won't find a counter rotating prop and some major ignition changes are required.timing/throttle sync are reversed.
Not necessary anyway for that setup.Quite a lot of weight;like putting an Evinrude Etec 60 (240lbs)on the back.early 70s 40 is about 130.Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.You might want to put on a transom pan with a drain.
Test the max height you can run the motor and raise the transom when you rebuild it.
 

River - Runner

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Re: I know I am crazy! twin 20hp's on 14' row

And then there is aesthetics: A pictured 14' FD Alumacraft with 2 Mercury Mark 55's on the transom, courtesy of vintagealumacraft.

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You do not need the counter rotating prop.
This boat has a 15" transom and 55" beam. A row boat with two pairs of oar locks. The quarter deck is a removable option.

What model Alumacraft do you have?
 

jay_merrill

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Re: I know I am crazy! twin 20hp's on 14' row

The entire point of having a boat is to have some fun. If your idea of fun is to set up and use a twin motor installation, go for it. There are, however, some things to think about so you will be able to operate in a safe and practical manner.

First, what is the maximum horsepower rating for the boat? If it is under 40hp, you will have to consider the risk factors. The Coast Guard and/or marine patrol want to see engines within the hp applicable to the boat but I have been told by senior members of Wildlife and Fisheries in my state, who have an enforcement role in boating, that it is not illegal to exceed the ratings. The problem in doing so lies in the "what happens if," should you be involved in an accident. This can be an issue if your boat is insured too because your insurance company will be looking for ways to avoid a claim.

You must assemble a safe and practical steering system. There is no reason why you can not use an older style pully/cable system if you make sure it is in top shape. I know that folks these days claim that this is blasphemy but the vast majority of the boating public managed to use them for many, many years successfully. The key is in the proper setup and maintenance of the system. BTW, these systems were used for motors much larger than what you have and they were used for twin engine installations too. If you surf Ebay, you may find the standard, OMC link that was used between the motors. You can also use a dual drum push/pull type steering system with a pair of tube bracket/tie arm assemblies as shown below. Whether this option will work or not depends largely on whether you end up with enough room in a transverse direction across the transom for the push pull rods to have full range of travel.

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The next issue is boat stability. If you do this setup, test the boat slowly and progressively. Start out operating slowly and make some turns, etc. Keep doing this at progressively higher speeds and make minor heading changes as you test the handling characteristics. Do the testing in a variety of wind/water conditions too. If all goes well, you will know that the boat is relatively safe with this installation.

As mentioned, engine weight is a concern but may not be that big a deal. If the boat is rated to handle something like an OMC Super Quiet 40hp (the one with the "fat" midsection), there won't be much difference in transom weight because your motors only weigh about 85 - 90 pounds each. You can compensate by forward steering and battery placement. While I wouldn't put fuel in the back of the boat, placing it all the way forward is of marginal value and may even be undesirable because, as you deplete it, the CG of the boat will shift in a rearward direction. I prefer to keep my fuel tanks midships for this reason.

You must find a duel control unit or make one. I made one out of two stock Evinrude/Johnson Shipmaster units. The pics below show how I did it. Notice that the raised mouldings on the outer box of one assembly had to be ground down to a flat surface in order to mount the second gear shift box outside of it. You also have to install the two flat plates that come with the stock single control boxes, between each gear shift box and the unit next to it. If you don't the gear shift handles won't move freely. Notice also that two of the throttle/shift handles have been removed and reversed. In order to prevent excess cable from causing clutter, I purchased my cables in different sizes, with an extra foot in length for each cable as it moved further from the starboard side of the boat. Finally, be aware that this vintage of the controls came in two versions - the ones that accepted cables with set screws and the later ones in which the cables had press fit ends. Some of the internal parts for the control boxes are different for each setup. You can still mix the types but you will have to get the correct cables for each type.

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My biggest concern with your setup is the relatively small amount of "dry" freeboard you will have at the transom. If you are stopped or moving slowly in a following sea, this will cause the transom to be overtopped quite easily. I recommend building a self draining splashwell, coupled with a high capacity bilge pump and a substantial battery to power it frequently. If the splashwell does its job, the bilge pump shouldn't come into play but it is good to have it as a backup.

If you can do this installation safely, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't. You will burn more fuel than a single engine of equal horsepower, and your maintenance costs will be higher, but those things need not be an issue if you're comfortable with them. I had a pair of 1958 Evinrude "Bigtwin" 35hp motors on a 15' trihull for awhile and used it extensively - it worked just fine.
 

wavrider

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Re: I know I am crazy! twin 20hp's on 14' row

Sounds like fun, and an interesting project.

Just be safe with it and follow Jay Merrill advice, he has done a few of the twin outboard set ups.

It would be less expensive to sell both and put a 40 on the back of it, but that would take the fun out of the project:)
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: I know I am crazy! twin 20hp's on 14' row

Because it is 2 cycle, while it is possible to actually start and run the engine in reverse, the problem comes with the lower unit. It was never designed to run in reverse so even if you could find a counter rotating prop, the lower unit gears would be meshing on the wrong faces and the bearings would be incorrectly loaded. Parts are not interchangeable from clockwise to counterclockwise rotating engines.

With a 20 HP engine, torque is not really going to be a problem. Just run both engines as they were designed.

With twin engine installation, because the load is shared by the engines, usually a prop of about two pitches higher is used.
 

BF

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Re: I know I am crazy! twin 20hp's on 14' row

ditto... forget about counter rotation. spend your effort getting the controls and steering right. don't go too crazy. and you might want to rig up a lanyard / kill switch system that will kill both motors.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: I know I am crazy! twin 20hp's on 14' row

Frank is right about prop pitch in a twin installation but there is one more consideration when your boat is relatively small. Since one engine is probably capable of pusing this boat on plane, you have the option of going for the highest workable pitch, which may not plane it on one engine, or you can back off a bit. Doing this allows you to get home with some speed should you lose a motor far from the launch.

Bear in mind, however, that there is a limited selection of props available for your motors so you may have less choice in the matter than you would like.
 
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