I need help 60hp evinrude

[12345]

My engine was working fine, had been out most of the day at sea. I stopped and anchored. The next time i tried to start her up nothing but a click. I have checked the battery and connections they are good, I have taken starter off and run it up on the battery and it works, have changed the solenoid for another. Still no joy! Now i'm stuck so if anyone can enlighten me on whats wrong I would be gratefull

 

[Joe Reeves]

Re: I need help 60hp evinrude

You've either got a faulty cable, a loose cable, or a tight but dirty cable at some area.

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[12345]

Re: I need help 60hp evinrude

You've either got a faulty cable, a loose cable, or a tight but dirty cable at some area.

http://stores.ebay.com/Evinrude-Johnson-Outboard-Parts-etc?refid=store

many thanks joe, this was my last idea after posting the question, so between then and now i have checked and cleaned and retightened all connections, i still have the same symptoms, does this mean i will have a break in one of my wires some where as now i have nothing esle to fall back on as i'm no sparky

 

[F_R]

Re: I need help 60hp evinrude

Do you have adapters on the battery posts? Take them off and clean everything shiny bright. Don't just look at them.

Still no crank? Use a jumper cable to ground the motor's powerhead to the negative battery terminal and try starting it. If it cranks, you have a bad ground.

If still no crank, use the jumper cable to connect the battery + terminal directly to the starter connection. If it cranks, you have a bad connection somewhere between the battery, solenoid, and starter.

If still no crank, you either have both of the above of a N/G battery. Even a half-dead battery will spin the starter off the motor like you did.

 

[F_R]

Re: I need help 60hp evinrude

Oops, I forgot to finish. On the last step, I should have said you have either both of the above or a N/G battery, OR a bad starter.

 

[JUSTINTIME]

Re: I need help 60hp evinrude

u need to load test your battery, sounds like u have a bad one or bad charging circuit

 

[mikesea]

Re: I need help 60hp evinrude

I'm assuming you are using the same battery for the testing.Therefore I'm assuming the battery is good.Hve you inspested the full run of both battery cables.Is there any possibility that one of the cables had a cut or tear,allowed water in and the copper wire has corroded away,leaving a seemingly good cable ,but a big open in the middle. Even if only part of it deteriorated you will get a large loss of amperage.The test FR suggested would bypass the boat cable and if you get a good result ,you can assume a cable is bad.I have run across this ,especially when the insulation of a positive wire ,lying in the bilge in water breaks down.Perhaps rubbing on a rib etc.If the solonoid is clicking,therby making contact,and you have replaced it as you said,the only other thing is the cables,BUT,dont forget the cable between starter and solonoid too,they also burn in time,especially after a bad starter has pulled alot of current. Let us know what you find,thats how we all learn

 

[DJ]

Re: I need help 60hp evinrude

My bet is the battery ground at the engine block. Tight doesn't cut it. You have to remove it and clean it.

 

[12345]

Re: I need help 60hp evinrude

well thank guys. to all of you for all your ideas.

so i left the battery connected put jump lead from battery earth to engine block earth still nothing. left that connected so i then put jump lead to the + battery to the + bolt on the starter nothing happend but a very little spark (why?)but i still left that connected then took the earth from the block and placed it straight to the starter housing. oops fire works starter worked and shot up and engaged to the flywheel sparking to every tooth as the flywheel turned (why ?)
needless to say i jump out of my skin then called it a day as it was dark, what now? is there a fault in the starter somewere?
getting even more confused now thanks Tony

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: I need help 60hp evinrude

check your cable for any slight discoloration, swelling, they will get knicked, or damaged, and corroded from inside. i chased a problem similar to yours for weeks, and the cable was rotten inside the insulation. you can take jumper cables, neg - ground enigne, pos + to big connection on the starter, it should turn over. if it does check all wiring, including ignition switch.

 

[12345]

Re: I need help 60hp evinrude

oh boy what have i done now? well after all the messing about trying all of the above idea and the sparking display from the flywheel when i did ground engine block to battrey with jump lead and live to the starter from the battrey. I was told to get a light bulb and wire tester. I did so, Well i turned the ign on put the one conection to the block and the other side to the starter case housing and the light came on Bingo fault in the starter moter, Well I took this apart to have a look see and it seemed that it was ok, not that i know what to look for, I made sure the wires were not conecting to the body housing one looked a bit close. so moved it away a bit and put it back together and tried it on the battrey again and it worked. so I put it back on the engine. Then I tried to start the engine and it fired in to life started great over and over, got the muffs out and fired her up for a test run.

BUT BUT BUT now for some reason the engine is hunting on tic over so i gave it a bit of throttle and even with the extra rev's it continues the hunt like it's got a mind of it's own, it never did this before, what has all the sparking done to the way it runs as it always purrred like a good engine should????

aargh getting ready to get a new anchor weight, TONY

 

[mikesea]

Re: I need help 60hp evinrude

you got some kind of problem between your switch and solonoid ,if I follow what you say.To repeat,you say,you took a test light,one end connected to block(which is neg)then placed other lead on the CASE ? Is that the outer shell of the starter?which should only be negativly charged.The fact that the Ignition switch is in the ON position,it should not be putting power to the starter.It only gets power when in the START position.In the test you did that started all the sparking,what you indeed proved ,was a poor ground between the starter and the block,that is odd because 3 bolts hold it in place ,however the additional negative from the battery did allow the starter to engage,be sure to check the negative wire that runs from battery to engine block.Also,be sure you have a heavy enough guage cable supplying the power,repeating again the battery cables that supply power to the engine may have a fault that you cannot easily see,as I posted previously.One other suggestion.Disconnect the main,large red plug from the engine to wiring harness.Then take your jumper cable from the positive of the battery directly to positive of the starterand see if it starts,be sure to have water for cooling and you will need to choke the engine to stop it,so be sure the throttle is only at idle.If it wont crank,then use another cable for your ground,as you have done before,if it then cranks,you know something is wrong with neg.cable.If it starts ,runs well,no trouble,you liklely have a bad ignition switch ,or main harness.

 

[12345]

Re: I need help 60hp evinrude

many thanks to all you guys out there job well done.

To end,

I changed the earth lead compleatly for a new one then all was good,
I then stripped off all the bad earth lead covering to find the middle quarter of the earth cable black and very brital with a green and salty residue.
again cheers lads

 

[mikesea]

Re: I need help 60hp evinrude

Can I pat myself on the back.If I didnt have it happen to me Id never believe it.Thanks for giving us the answer.