I sure miss Bill Clinton!

[PW2]

Re: I sure miss Bill Clinton!

You're absolutely correct, mrb.<br /><br />They have no defense of the substance--and them saying it so doesn't make it so.<br /><br />Just as they suggest my loyalties lie north of the border---Of course, it is not true, but I just think America ought to stand for reason and fairness--and that is a concept that is foreign to our current government, and our right winged friends.<br /><br />They have, of course, by their statements reaffirmed everything I told my Northern friends, and truly sadly, they seem downright proud of it. <br /><br />Oh, well. When Canada finally wakes up, cuts off the Natural gas supply, and the gas price doubles, it'll just give them one more thing to whine about.

 

[PW2]

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Oh, and one more curious thing you learn when you listen to these right wing wackos---Just as the original topic of this would suggest, Nothing, ever, under any circumstance, is their fault.<br /><br />From the very same people that preach taking responsibility for your own actions.

 

[POINTER94]

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PW2,<br /><br />Let me give you concrete answers to your questions.<br /><br />A. Open drilling in AWR. Unrestricted. Remove the BS liberal restrictions, paperwork, and social engineering requirements. Remove the restrictions and allow for the development and construction of additional refining capasity in the US. No more liberal snail darter crap.<br /><br />Construct and bring on line 20 more nuclear plants in the next three years (we rebuilt LA in 6 months after the earthquakes we can do this) and relieve the pressure on natural gas fired electrical plants. Take these natural gas plants and convert to coal. Build an additional 50 coal fired plants near metropolitan areas to shorten transmission line losses.<br /><br />Increase the tax incentive to alternate fuel vehicles and green sources of power.<br /><br />Severe the oil dependancy on oil from countries not friendly to the US. Iran, Saudi Arabia. They represent just 10% of the oil imported anyway. Then secure an oil deal with venezuala to lock out the chineese. Probably too late, but its politics and anything is possible. Make it happen. We need a reliable supply of oil, cheap is no longer an option.<br /><br />Close the boarder. More people in this country the more oil is consumed. <br /><br />Place a bounty to anyone who can create a liquid hydrogen vehicle. Any and all patents regarding energy generation and conservation are to be bought out and shared.<br /><br />Leverage Mexico and their video's on how to enter this country illegally and secure additional mineral rights to american oil companies. Provide tax incentives to the oil companies for exploration of new oil fields. If they resist use horizontal drilling to obtain it.<br /><br />Maximize production of existing oil fields. <br /><br />Drop the federal subsidies to the airlines and let the profitable ones succeed and the weak fold. Air travel is a luxury not a right. Just like health care is not a right. A place to live is not a right. A car is not a right. An air conditioner is not a right. Free abortions are not a right.<br /><br />Reduce the taxes both state and federal to temporarily lower the cost of gas. Of course we know how difficult this will be with the governments dependancy on taxes and redistribution of wealth. Get over it. The populace has had to tighten the belt, join the team.<br /><br />Identify and build high speed rail to replace car and plane travel. This does not mean that every person, town, city and village needs high speed rail, just the high volume routes between major cities.<br /><br />Iraq owes us. As sick as it makes you, they need to pony up and pay for the services provided, as described as when we entered this mess. It is a brave new world and this policeman crap is over, get together or we will force feed it. A stabil government is what must arise and any shananigans will result in additional action. The UN is a joke and a bunch of theives, if they don't like it, good bye, and pack your crap and get out of our country. We are attacked for being the policemen of the world but chastized for not being the welfare provider to the world. News flash.......We are but they just want more. NO MORE. A stabil middle east will ensure at least a steady flow of oil to those who have tolerated, supported, defended, and built your countries. As we stabilize the middle east the more consistant the oil price and availability. <br /><br />Raise tarriffs on all items coming into this country from china until they stop tying their currency to the value of the dollar. Their additional requirements for gas is making supplies scarce. Their devalued currancy is making america non competitive, and all our manufacturing is moving overseas, increasing their demand and their dependance on imported oil. Competition is driving up the price. And unfair busness practices are putting us at an unfair disadvantage.<br /><br />Name one thing the democrats have suggested, proposed, or offered? They are the party of NO. No ideas, no assistance, just obstructionists and propogandists. Not one single idea presented. And its Bush's fault. Name one policy from the Clinton administration with regards to energy. Or is his legacy just what we think it is. Over the day he left. What a joke. I keep hearing the old liberal finger pointing and accusations, I have yet to hear anything from the left on how to manage the situation except raise taxes, and raise taxes, and raise taxes, and a windmill for everyone. Wow that's insightful.

 

[POINTER94]

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Speaking of where is the monopoly of ideas's.<br /><br />Taken from "Human Events":<br /><br />"Speaking at his monthly media briefing, British Prime Minister Tony Blair presented twelve measures designed to respond to the attacks of July 7. Some are being adopted immediately; others (requiring legislation) are under “urgent examination.” But one thing was abundantly clear: For the Prime Minister, at least, the Islamofascist attacks on London had changed everything.<br /><br />His proposals are strong ones. Henceforth, in Britain, “fostering hatred, advocating violence to further a person’s beliefs or justifying or validating such violence” will be grounds for deportation. New anti-terror legislation will include the offense of “condoning or glorifying terrorism.” Government powers will be extended to allow “naturalized citizens engaged in extremism” to be stripped of their citizenship. The number of “special judges” hearing terrorism-related cases will be expanded. And there are more.<br /><br />Certainly, some of Blair’s measures would run afoul of the First Amendment – and would be unnecessary, or incompatible with American civic life and traditions. But what is noteworthy and admirable is Blair’s willingness to step forward with realistic, hard-hitting proposals designed to address the dangers posed by Muslim separatism and the radical Muslim clerics preaching hatred and extremism.<br /><br />As a Labour politician, Tony Blair’s natural American counterparts are the Democrats. But what a difference an ocean makes! Blair’s leadership and resolution couldn’t pose more of a contrast with the Democratic Party’s approach to the war on terror in America.<br /><br />After the immediate unity inspired by the attacks of 9/11, Democratic politicians almost immediately began to criticize the President. Opposition to the Patriot Act, to the war in Iraq – not to mention detention of suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay and the use of military tribunals – has been widespread throughout the Democratic Party. And just last May, 122 Democrats voted to set a deadline for withdrawal from Iraq – presumably, whether or not American objectives have been achieved.<br /><br />Certainly, there must be Democrats who don’t agree with the talking points purveyed by heavyweights like Senators Teddy Kennedy, **** Durbin and Robert Byrd or Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean. But one never seems to hear from them. And so far, the only measures in the war on terror vocally supported by alleged Democratic “hawks” like Hillary Clinton seem to be reactive ones – most notably the demands for more government money for “homeland security” in the senator’s home state.<br /><br />But the Democrats’ silence on the tough issues shouldn’t fool anyone. Make no mistake – if there is another attack on America, their voices will be raised in loud and fervent criticism of what wasn’t done to prevent it.<br /><br />Perhaps such political gamesmanship is the prerogative of those in the minority – at least when they have fundamentally abdicated the responsibilities of governing. That’s a luxury that Tony Blair doesn’t have. And here in the United States, the Democrats’ resort to second-guessing is one reason that they aren’t likely to find themselves in the leadership position occupied by the British Labour Party anytime soon."<br /><br />Come on you left leaning memebers of our little site, help us find your leaders "action" plan. Not the usual lip service we have recieved on anything that requires independant thought and might just be a little difficult. Taxing the successful isn't difficult. Of course if you don't do anything, you never have to take responsibility, right PW2?

 

[PW2]

Re: I sure miss Bill Clinton!

first of all, let's honor our current agreements Like NAFTA.<br /><br />Forget about ANWR. It will do next to nothing to lessen our dependence on foreign oil, anyway.<br /><br />I have no problem with nuclear power, but let's develop a reasonable rational plan to develop it safely, and to handle the waste.<br /><br />Let's balance the budget. Either reduce spending, or increase revenue. If that requires a few loopholes closing, like ones that allow corporate america to move offshore to avoid taxes, so be it.<br /><br />Our Administration got us into this mess in Iraq, and now we have to pay. Larry Lindsay lost his job for suggesting that Iraq could cost as much as 100 billion, and Wolfowitz and Cheney assured us that their oil would pay for all of it. Either they were woefully ill-informed, or they lied--either way, we now have to pay. Get used to it. And forget about the big tax cuts for the rich.<br /><br />We need a crash course in developing an alternate energy supply, we need to fund the R&D to make it happen, and increase funding to public transportation to make it convenient and usable, while conserving energy.<br /><br />We need to continue encouraging world trade. It stops wars. and world cooperation with issues like global warming. If you don't like Kyoto, come up with something different. But doing nothing is not an option. And coal as an energy source is not acceptable.<br /><br />that's a start

 

[treedancer]

Re: I sure miss Bill Clinton!

Pointer, <br /> How much new oil would drilling awr give us/<br /> <br /> Where would we put the waste from the twenty new nuclear power plants? <br /> <br /> How much pollution would be put into the air would additional fifty coal fired <br /> plants produce?<br /> <br /> Sever relations with countries that are not friendly with us well that is starting to<br /> Encompass a large part of the world with the current group of neocons .<br /> <br /> So we should stick our heads in the sand and close our borders. Wow I think a <br /> few countries have tried that but it would not work for us seeing that most of <br /> of the company’s that are most likely campaign contributors to the republican <br /> party .<br /><br /> And of course leverage your term. My term steal the oil from Mexico that’s the<br /> good old neocon way .<br /><br /> Maximize production well where are you going too refine it seems that we<br /> short a few dozen refineries .<br /> . <br /><br /> Reduce taxes, Well we have reduced taxes and kicked pepli off Medicaid so we can continue a war that was started on lies and now have so much debt that my grandkids and there grandkids will have to pay off.

 

[POINTER94]

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PW2,<br /><br />Throw money on something that could never materialize? Maybe aliens will land and give us unlimited power from one ear of corn. We need to deal in the here and now. We have coal, we can burn it cleanly, thus freeing up natural gas for longer term viability. With gas at $3 a gallon there is plenty of incentive to develop alternative power, and a bounty and forced sharing of the technology will ensure a payback to the designers and expeditious distribution to the marketplace. Reward winners not visionaries by funding on the backside not the front. We already have enough professional dancers.<br /><br />How about Kyoto treaty where everyone is treated equally. I'm all for it.<br /><br />I agree things are bogged down in Iraq, I am sorry Bill Clinton suggested we do something to enforce UN resolutions. We just had to elect someone who was more actions than words. How many times did Germany violate world treaties before we jumped in? Yea, less than 17.<br /><br />As transportation costs increase world trade will decrease. If a tarriff on chineese products is implemented to consistant with the 40% undervalued currency rate, you might begin to see jobs return to the UP. This will also begin to reduce the transfer of technology to a country we will one day have issues with well beyond the petty little issues we now have.<br /><br />Why are all your options about taxing people? Taxing american mfg's with unfair agreements like the Koyto accord, taxing offshore companies who were forced offshore by daconian tax codes, hand out money to anyone with a wet dream about unlimited fuel sources, while ignoring existing domestic fuel sources, supporting third world countries with what is in effect subsidized trade deals. Equal trade = Fair trade. NAFTA is not FAIR TRADE. <br /><br />Empowering sucess is the answer, floating money around the world hasn't worked for the past 70 years, what makes you think it will work now? Anyways I have provided concrete ideas and direction consistant with my geo-political view. What again have the dems offered up? Oh yea, spending money on mass transit to mirror France. Yep that will do it. Your earlier posts in this tread regarding no concrete ideas meant what? What lingering policies from Clinton administration has assisted in our current situation? You didn't name one policy they even implemented. I guess we are right where I said the left was, tax - tax - tax - tax and a windmill for everyone.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: I sure miss Bill Clinton!

Treedancer,<br /><br />What will ANWR provide? Depending on whether your believe the caribou preservation society or the oil companies, perhaps a 0-10 year cushion. Take a guess which estimate I tend to believe? The answer is nobody really knows, so that is licence to sit on our hands. I remember how the Alaskan pipeline was going to desimate the herd according to liberals, what in reality really happened? This is not a rhetorical question.<br /><br />Where do we put the nuclear waste? You want to spend trillions of dollars in government giveaways to some pie in the sky wacko ideas to assist in the energy crisis? The simple answer is Nevada. There are plenty of places in a hardly populated state to accomidate storage. <br /><br />Maximize production to be refined where? Re-read above post. Ref: snail darter.<br /><br />I live for the opportunity to have the Ivory Coast help form our domestic policy, that goes for Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Somolia, Iran. The thought of not doing busness with Iran probably does have a ton of liberals shaking in their shoes. Not me.<br /><br />As far as taxation, how many bridges, hospitals, roads, military bases, need to be named after sheets Byrd. Why does every school need an huge pool with a diving well, an indoor track, and a gym that is really a sports complex, why free abortion, why can't parents feed their own children, personal responsibility no longer in vogue, how about forced busing, the cuts you see are a symptom of the problem and done to forward political positions. How much healthcare can you get for a sheets Byrd highway connecting nowhere to nowhere? How about the 3 million spent in Davis CA to create an underground tunnel so frogs can get from one side of I80 to the other? NO MORE PORK. But how will incumbants get elected. <br /><br />I am not a republican, I am a traditional conservative. You know like JFK, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. Or we can just tax the successful. Again this started with the statement that we conservatives have no concrete ideas going forward. Have not yet heard one liberal idea other than some whimsical plan about tax tax tax and pay someone with a degree in alchemy to discover a yet unknown source. Where did this debt come from? No not pork. Every year additional entitlements are added to entitlements, on top of government programs. Like say perscriptions, not a promise ever made but who will be paying for this, and more than likely never get a dime for my efforts? And if the war is so expensive why are liberals putting up roadblocks to its success? If you listen to liberals you have to conclude that Iraq was better in Sadam. This makes me physically ill. If we are in a war why isn't the home team playing to win. (Richard Durbin)

 

[fixin]

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Blah-blah-blah ***Yawn***

 

[POINTER94]

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Typical liberal response. Throw in raise taxes and free abortion on demand and you have the entire democratic platform.

 

[fixin]

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The thread started as a "joke"But you just have to turn it into more don't you.<br />Typical conservative.

 

[POINTER94]

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Oooops, you are right. Sorry KK, lost my head. <br /><br />Actually I didn't take it down this road, but I did turn it into a four lane highway. I guess that does make me a conservative, I did it without a government grant.

 

[Boomyal]

Re: I sure miss Bill Clinton!

Originally posted by PW2:<br /> Forget about ANWR. It will do next to nothing to lessen our dependence on foreign oil, anyway.

A microcosmical example of why the Libs are losing ground all across this nation. The big question is why can't all these super intelligent progressive people realize that they have become so used to dealing out distortions of the truth that it becomes their reality.<br /><br />There is a common thread here tho. This is the same logic that the Left applies to economics. Take as much as you can from the smallest number of people instead of setting the stage where a large number of people will be able to make the total (oil supply) larger.

 

[treedancer]

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Man his is fun I never had so much fun since the cardinals beat the brewers three straight this month.<br /> I still like Clinton better than George the second

 

[POINTER94]

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Now thats hitting low. That was a great series. An the brewers had a team of charactors. I miss Gorman Thomas and the wallbangers. <br /><br />Can't tell you who is on the brewers anymore, or who owns them.

 

[treedancer]

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The Brew Crew has some fine young talent especially there pitching .If they keep them around until they jell they will be in the playoffs in a couple of years They have one picture now that I wish the Cards had I believe his name is Sheets?

 

[woodrat]

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Wow, things sure haven't changed much around here since last fall! Except there do seem to be a few more voices of dissent now than there was back then..<br /><br />I came poking back in to see if I could find some advice on building crawdad traps, but I just couldn't resist checking in at the good ole DC, and when I saw that thing about missing Bill, well, I just HAD to look! Still, any help with the crawdad thing, from commie pinko liberal tree and frog huggers or right wing wacko corporate nature raiders and warmongers would be welcome..post is in freshwater fishing. Have a nice day!

 

[POINTER94]

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Ben Sheets, I lied I know him. An outstanding talent and bucking trends of the last fifteen years we signed one of our best (sheets) to a contract extension this spring. I don't like to watch baseball as much as I enjoy listening to it on the radio. We are hovering at about .500 for the first time in about 13 years. I am hoping they improve, the fans still turn out in good numbers and the Miller Park is a mechanical work of art.<br /><br />Woodrat, welcome back, your point of view has been missed. Hope you are doing well, and sorry but I have no idea how to help you get crabs.

 

[treedancer]

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its been good talking to you pointer but got hang it for a few. The cards are on espn playing the hated cubs wiil be gone for a few hours.

 

[POINTER94]

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Adios for now. Go cards!!!!!!!!!!!!