I trust this is not the general feeling in the US?

[crab bait]

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or the black communities havin' to endore mass road blocks an detours keepin' them from gettin' to their polling stations to vote..<br /><br />but so what.. it don't matter noway..<br /><br />why even vote.. popular vote don't count..<br /><br />let some group 'smarter' then we,, cast vote for you..it's their vote that counts... <br /><br />in russia,, it's the peoples vote that counts..

 

[JoeW]

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Bush can't win for losing with the Democrats. John Kerry is now criticising him for not rushing into Haiti sooner and for doing it multilaterally instead of going it on our own. <br /><br />Make up your mind Kerry. You're embarrasing your party (if that's possible).<br /><br />You Democrats really think our country would be better off with someone like John Kerry? Have you listened to this guy? <br /><br />

Bumiller: President Bush has said that freedom and fear have always been at war, and God is not neutral between them. He's made quite clear in his speeches that he feels God is on America's side. Really quick, is God on America's side? <br /><br />Kerry: Well, God will--look, I think--I believe in God, but I don't believe, the way President Bush does, in invoking it all the time in that way. I think it is--we pray that God is on our side, and we pray hard. And God has been on our side through most of our existence.<br />

Does this man sound like a leader to you?<br /><br />

Rather: Senator Kerry, President Bush has made it clear that the United States will be part of an international force going to Haiti. You've been critical of that action. Tell me what your beef is with what the president is doing.<br /><br />Kerry: He's late, as usual. This president always makes decisions late after things have happened that could have been different had the president made a different decision earlier.<br /><br />Bumiller: Senator Kerry, what would you have done in this situation?<br /><br />Kerry: Well, first of all, I never would have allowed it to get out of control the way it did<br />

Specifically, he would have jumped in sooner, with or without UN approval. Hmmm....does this sound like ...... IRAQ!

 

[plywoody]

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Don't get into competing bumbling language and inarticulate statements if you are a supporter of Bush--While Kerry has his moments, no doubt, there is no one that can hold a candle to Bush when it comes to inarticule, bumbling, contradictory statements.<br /><br />As far as hating Bush, the notion is silly. There simply is not a single policy of this administration that I agree with. There are a number of Kerry/Edwards statements that I don't agree with as well, but on balance either of them are far and away better than Bush. It is not a matter of hate in the least. It is a matter of policy, and policy priorities, and this election is about anyone but Bush, as none of the available choices could possibly be anywhere near as bad as Bush.

 

[Skinnywater]

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First I believe it's improper for an American traveling abroad to talk dissention. Unless they plan to change citizenship.<br /><br /> My opinion is that Bush is a Republicrat, a centerist liberal. He's a liberal spender and relishes very large government.<br />He is a social liberal as witnessed with his perscription drug program. He is a liberal spender when it comes to US dollars to (lost causes)AIDS programs in Africa.<br />His immigration policy couldn't be any worse for America then if Hillary did propose it herself!<br />He's pro NAFTA at face value and is very generous with free trade agreements. <br />He's pro China being a "most favored" trading status partner. And he's not in support of an independent Taiwan. This is a policy in hypocracy.<br /><br />Foriegn dependence on oil, with daily rising gasoline prices, and the dummy wants to make a maned mission to Mars a national priority.<br />Nothing like gasoline prices at $2.50 for regular, to eat up my measely tax refund and put the skids on a economic recovery.<br /><br />Domestically, internationally, and cosmically a big, big spender. A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon it sounds like small change.<br /><br />In the short term he's pounded two small, weak countrys into rubble. Fine, it satisfied the thirst for revenge for 9/11.<br />In the long term we'll all pay huge sums in taxes to pay for all the spending, large government, millions of illegal aliens, foriegn aid, aid to Iraq, Afganistan and bribes to any other country we want to vote our way in the UN.<br />Billions to Iraq for infrastructure, yet many here spent hours stuck in traffic on the way to work this mourning.<br /><br />Kenneth Leigh, a slimey fellow Texan and the administrations (Bush/Cheney)"goodbuddy". <br />Have you been read your rights yet? <br />Bushes tax cut isn't helping all the people that ENRON sucked from thier retirement accounts.<br /><br />Fine job to nominate conservative judiciarys, have them grilled in congress, not rally the country for support, then silently, longfaced, accept thier withdrawl.<br /><br />No need to even bring up an "imminent threat" from WMD's. So I won't.<br /><br />Yep, Kerry's a dummy. Bush is a dummy. They are all slimey, silly, sad, potlickers.<br />Another election where we vote for the lesser of evils. Rather then the best this country deserves.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Originally posted by aspeck:<br />I am an expat - US citizen living in Ghana. I do hear a good bit of negative about our country and our president, but the people here were all excited about Clinton when he was in office. It doesn't take long, if you ask the right questions, to get them to be all excited about Bush. Unfortunately they are fed a good bit of liberal media and no conservative media, so there is no "balanced" reporting here. Therefore, you do get the "Ugly American" label - like I said, until you talk with them, explain a few things, and ask them what the more liberal side has really done for them.

Aspec you are right. Too many "sheepeople" following what the liberal media says. Most of the reports in the media in other countries are anti- USA (I know, I used to live in Asia for 3 years).<br /><br />Also, there is a lot of resentment towards the USA cause we are on top now. We tell the other countries, you want to be friends with us, no problem, just follow our rules. Dont follow the rules, you arent my friend.<br /><br />Ken

 

[Boomyal]

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Originally posted by snapperbait:<br /> <br />Who says the majority rules? Obviously did'nt happen here...

SnapperB, certainly your prerogative not to like GW but I think that you and many others need to go back to US History and US G'ment 101. No one ever said that the majority rules when it comes to electing a national leader. We DO NOT live in a democracy. We live in a Republic. In a Republic the member states elect the national leader not the people.<br /><br />To disagree with this, one would have to disagree with the concept of a Republic and history has shown that that would not be a wise thing to do.

 

[CalicoKid]

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If Bush didn't have a "war" to disguise his ambitions I don't think he would have a fifth the approval he has now except maybe from those who approve of anyone with an R behind thier name. Bushes "wartime" achievements amounted to spending a ton of our money and getting a lot of brave young people killed. Nothing's been resolved and nothing will be. He needs us to need him to protect us from the terrorism that is just waiting around every corner. Thats BS. Every time the White house needs to release some bad news, that goon Tom Ridge raises his ridiculous terror alert to level orange in hopes of sending people away from the news in search of duct tape and drop cloths. "Be vigilant" Bush says. Don't pay any attention to what he and his appointees are doing to our environment, our freedoms, our future, just keep watchin' for terrorists! 9-11 was a blessing for these guys, the timing couldn't have been better.

 

[JoeW]

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Plywoody,<br />

Don't get into competing bumbling language and inarticulate statements if you are a supporter of Bush--While Kerry has his moments, no doubt, there is no one that can hold a candle to Bush when it comes to inarticule, bumbling, contradictory statements.<br />

It's not the bumbling that bothers me. Just like his Demo cousin Bill, he waffles to suite public opinion. First he voted for the invasion of Iraq then he voted against funding it. Now he claims he did nothing of a sort. He has criticised Bush for going into Iraq too soon and without UN support. Now he criticises Bush for waiting for international support to go into Haiti. When asked for specifics on how he would do it he comes back with "Well, I wouldn't wait so long." He might as well have said "I would do it better".<br /><br />Plywoody, Snapperbait and the other Demos on this forum, please...we've heard enough about how you are against Bush. <br /><br />PLEASE TELL US WHAT YOU ARE FOR.

 

[Kiwi Phil]

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Maybe you would have to be an ex-pat to understand their situation. It is very unique and difficult to understand if you have not been there/done that.<br /><br />I suspect things in America are quite different to the way things are out in the real world, and if any of your were living in, say my society, then <br />1st: you would be in the minority, <br />2nd: you would listen to what your workmates/friends were saying, and few if any would be American.<br />3rd: they would seek and listen to your opinion and no doubt debate would follow.<br />4th: you may very well form a slightly different opion to the one you arrived with.<br /><br />to jtexas, no I don't think the world looks apon you as arrogant bullies, maybe gun totting cowboys but not arrogant bullies. <br />I am sure the world would love you to be the worlds policeman, but only that, and as we know, there must be the principal of "Seperation of Powers" (do you people use that term/know what I am refering to?).<br /><br />If you have some concern over what those outside your country think of you/your administration, them maybe one day you should ask them. You may get some rather pleasing replies that are quite different to what you feel outsiders think of you.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Phillip

 

[JB]

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All of the anti-Bush clapttrap may get Kerry nominated.<br /><br />"The people hate Bush" is an invention of the Liberal media.<br /><br />Come November, we will elect someone who tells us what he will do, and how. So far, that is 100% Bush. <br /><br />The Dems don't have a plan, don't have proposals, don't offer solutions. . . just bitter negativism.

 

[ED21]

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I'm sort of hoping Kerry gets nominated because I don't think anybody that liberal can get elected. He's to the left of Ted Kennedy. Remember Humphrey vs. Nixon? From the media reports you would have thought Nixon didn't have a chance.<br />Can you say landslide?<br />P.S. I realize many of you weren't around then, so hopefully you'll get a chance to experience it now.

 

[Admin5]

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Thank you everyone for your very thought-provoking posts. I have learned a lot from reading this thread as it has helped me to see that I need to learn more about what is really going on politically in our country and not just what is spoon fed us all by the media. Thanks for also keeping it civil. Man I love these boards some times!!!

 

[Carphunter]

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Snapper and Plywoody, could you please tell us your true feelings? You both turn every political thread into "Bush bashing".<br /><br />Like JB said, just bitter negativism.

 

[kfrei]

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A friendly Canadian would like to remind the swingvoters of Kerry's voting record (you can't get more liberal than him). We are all lucky to have Bush in control, Democrats know this but will do anything for power. This was demonstrated when the liberal controlled media called Florida for Gore before the polls closed costing Bush 10's of thousands of votes in the panhandle. Then the Liberal/Rogue Florida supreme court trys desparately to recount ballots. Call me a stupid Canadian, but in the US--'winning the pop-vote overall' has nothing to do with electoral college votes. Perhaps all you US Liberals would like a system like Canada's where our Liberal party has near dictorial powers with 35% of the popular vote.

 

[JB]

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A lot of Americans, mainly liberals, don't understand that this is a republic, a union of states, not a pure democracy.<br /><br />Pure democracy is what destroyed Greece and Rome.<br /><br />Our Constitution protects minority states from exploitation and domination by numerically stronger states.

 

[jtexas]

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Originally posted by kfrei:<br />...Democrats know this but will do anything for power....

You make it sound like such a bad thing - don't forget that's their job. Plenty on the other side have done the same.<br /><br />

...Call me a stupid Canadian....

Wouldn't that be redundant?<br /><br /> (Man, I sure hope you got that Red Green sense of humor otherwise I'm in deeeeep d*d*).<br /><br />*** Ditto what JB said: we use the terms "democracy" and "republic" interchangeably, but the distinction is significant, and it behooves us to remember it every now and then.

 

[kfrei]

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When I said the democrats will "do anything to get in power" I was expressing the frustration conservatives feel when they are putting ideas out there only to be engaged by name calling ( eg 'elitest bigots') and making irrelevent arguments (Like Bush's National Guard record). <br /><br />We sure need a Republic in Canada. The Feds here hold all our tax money until the provinces tow the line on Gun Control, Kyoto Protocol, and Health Care and they could care less about us out west.

 

[snapperbait]

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Carpy, I'm just Mr. negative.... Thats why I was put here.... Thats my job.. Pi$$ off the conservatives.. BTW, I ain't as "liberal" as you may think...<br /><br />On to the subject at hand... The thing I can't understand is how some here, who seem to be very well educated, will sit back and buy off on everything bush says, then call it "bitter negativism" when his decisions are questioned.. He's already poven himself as a "teller of un-truths" (cause calling him a lier sounds like "bitter negativism").. <br /><br />bush said he wanted "a smaller and less intrusive government"... It's bigger and more costly than ever... <br /><br />Took us to war on bad info... WMD's.. Where? Then pass the buck over and blame it on poor information from the CIA... Many american servicemen and women shed blood over that "bad info"... <br /><br />All "bitter negativism" aside, I do believe if bush was a stand up guy who cared about the country in general, he would not seek re-election, simply for the good of the country... Kinda pull an "LBJ"... <br /><br /> The reason... Can you all imagine the poop storm that will come down on him and his administration in his next term? Ladies and Germs, you ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to "bitter negativism"... Consequently, nothing will get done... I see special investigators, congressional hearings, and even possible impeachment proceedings in the near future... Next four years, TV will definately be the pitts!

 

[LadyFish]

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Oh Snapper ROTFL.

<br /><br />I don't disagree with everything you say, you for sure you are THE most conservative liberal I have every had the pleasure of meeting, but there will not be impeachment hearings for Bush ever. He is a president who gets things done and has ended up as the scapegoat for years of mismanagement and military mistakes.<br /><br />I look forward to his re-election.<br /><br />Snapper, we can still wet a line together, I just may have to beat you over the head with my pole once in awhile.

 

[snapperbait]

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hehehehehehe! OUCH!.. dangit LF, that hurts...jeeeeez... watch them hooks for crying out loud... <br /><br />Please leave the gaff at home...