id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

perry barras

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Re: id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

yeah i new that when i bought it this is the first trailer they tryed to sell me

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and i guess when i seen the new one it was alooooooot!!! better and was just excited to get that boat home..
 

perry barras

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Re: id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

Just one more thing. it looks like your dealer mounted a galvanized winch post on top of an area on your aluminum frame that is not designed for a post to be placed there.

Send that picture to the manufactuer of that trailer. I bet they will give that dealer Hell as they will both be responsible if your rig comes through your back window or ends up on top of your tow vechicle in an accident. You have a dangerous setup as it is now! That post is the wrong one and bolted to the wrong place in my opinion.
doing that first this in the a.m. .. i just needed to know if they just was placing different trailer parts just trying to make it work half azz for me to sell it and get me out the door.
 

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Re: id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

How is this positioned in the wrong place? What is dangerous about it? Wrong one? Nothing wrong with where it's at or the way it's attached.
The winch post looks like it has already been moved forward but the op would or needs it moved farther. First pic seems to show old position of stand. (shadow)

yeah they moved it up.. still not right.. i wonder if its against the law to sell the wrong trailer for safety reasons? maybe i can get my money or a bigger trailer from those butt bandits..
 

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Re: id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

Just sent a big email to fastload trailers .. Hope they might be able to help me swap this trailer out ..
 

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Re: id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

Perry, didn't you just buy this rig? Did you buy it new from a dealer?

YES I DID THEY SELL USED BOATS and new alweld excel .. I WANTED A EXCEL AND THEY WAS THE ONLY DEALER IN MY AREA. OOPS sorry for yelling hahaha.

they trying to say its the right one and im tired of dealing with them . i contacted the trailer dealer via email waiting on the reply...so im either dealing with it , modify , or sell it and buy another just dont want to loose my azz and have to spend more money ...
 

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Re: id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

If they wont replace or fix.......then either sell it or modifiy the trailer..

If the center SQ tubing goes to the end of the trailer to the coupler.....Then move it forward so the base plate is on the C-Channel flanges at all four holes.......then drill new holes thru the top and bottom flange next to the tubing..... then rebolt with your U-bolts from the bottom.... thru the bottom flange then thru the top flange then thru the base plate.

This would be the same it is now...supported by the center SQ tube.

If you U bolt around the outside like your drawing it will bend the flanges when you tighten up....

Or take it to a weld shop and have them Beef it up with gusset plate in between the flanges.

By the way nice looking boat!
 

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Re: id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

How is this positioned in the wrong place? What is dangerous about it? Wrong one? Nothing wrong with where it's at or the way it's attached.
The winch post looks like it has already been moved forward but the op would or needs it moved farther. First pic seems to show old position of stand. (shadow)

Well, it's probably an OK winch post. I'm probably wrong in my post. When I first viewed his traliers design it appeared that the winch post base would have to be real wide to fit closer to the hitch ball. Now that I see the beam underneath those top two aluminum curving plates that one could actually drill holes for placement of the U-bolts. I orginally feared the OP might think he could just bolt the winch post onto those top plates.

Drilling new holes without first getting the rig with proper weight on the ball is not going to be easy on this "one trailer fits all boats we sell design" This sales shop should never have allowed his rig to be driven off their lot hanging off like that no matter how excited the owner was to drive it out . . again, in my opinion only because when I bought my rig new they pulled the same thing on me just dropping the boat on the trailer. It took me many tweaks getting mine correct. Almost every aspect of matching my trailer to the boat was wrong.

I had awful tongue weight which was causing the rig to bounce all over the place when trailering and it would sway back and forth at 55 mph wearing tires down.

My rig was hanging a foot off the bunks, which as another poster has said would have caused hooking to the transom.

I had to move the axle back one or two sets of holes after getting the boat in the right place. One should not have to "add" bunk pieces for a boat that is improperly positioned on the trailer. Bunks themselves can be repositioned.

I had to do all this stuff myself as I took delivery in June and to bring it back to the same enept people that didn't have a clue (or did not care and are now of course out of business) I was not going to give them the boat as July and August which were also their busiest months.

Re-positioning the rig yourself in your driveway is sometimes not easy as the bunks are are dry. I first had to slide the boat onto my lawn to reposition the axle 1 hole. Which of course was not enough. After a test drive I knew one hole was not enough so this time around I brought it down to a quiet boat launch and floated the boat and moved the axle in the parking lot for the 2nd hole.

Most important is getting that tongue weight correct first before you pull out the drill :eek: If you have to re-position that winch you are going to have extra sets of holes, more holes only serve to weaken the overall structure.

Moving boat up is easy since you have a winch, but in your case your winch is not going to be bolted down yet. Getting rig off trailer is a pain as is moving it backwards on trailer. I had to use a chain hooked to the rear tie down hooks and around a tree to get boat of and my rig empty is only 700 lbs but the O/B is like another 150. So unless you have jacks, pieces of wood, jack stands it's a tricky process moving that kind of weight around.

Take a pic for us of the area behind your wheels to see if there are extra axle holes or it's just clamped on. I had 4 sets of holes.

None of this is really your job to do when you buy a new boat, it was the dealers. But if you don't want to lose it during boating season if you take pics along the way and since there are so many variables here you might have to deal with: bunk position, post position, boat position and axle position we can help you along the way. I only have experience with my own last few rigs as to trailer positioning and I never knew how off it was until other posters chimed in seeing how my rig was positioned incorrectly.

There are a lot of posters with much experience here (not me). They will chime in and help you along the way if they see you are moving in the wrong direction tweaking your rig. They are usually the ones with many thousands of posts, I personally tend to rely on their input first before I'd pull out the drill!

If you pull off the post first, reposition the boat and maybe tape the post farther up and then put a bathroom scale under the end of the tougue under the hitchball lock with a board across the scale to rest the trailer end on and see if you can get it around 10% to start. Some setups might need 10-15%.
others 7-10%. This is a link to "my" trailers webpage: http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/pf_trstep3.htm

Google this for your trailer. See if they have it up on their site or look in your docuementation if it came with any.

The only way I knew I had the correct weight was trial and error test driving. You are not going to have the liberty of moving the boat up or back a few inches once that post is mounted do to the design. Most trailers can be properly fitted to a boat, but most dealers are not going to take the time to do it.

Note: again, I'm no expert but if it was my rig, since you may be repositioning stuff, I don't like the way the right bunk is not sitting on a flat part of the hull. Maybe its OK? but I'd reposition it to ride on a flat part for "my" boat if I could, unless you don't plan to trailer much. I sometimes travel 2 hours back and forth for just a day trip depending on which lake is less windy or rainy that day.
 

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Re: id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

Well, it's probably an OK winch post. I'm probably wrong in my post. When I first viewed his traliers design it appeared that the winch post base would have to be real wide to fit closer to the hitch ball. Now that I see the beam underneath those top two aluminum curving plates that one could actually drill holes for placement of the U-bolts. I orginally feared the OP might think he could just bolt the winch post onto those top plates.

Drilling new holes without first getting the rig with proper weight on the ball is not going to be easy on this "one trailer fits all boats we sell design" This sales shop should never have allowed his rig to be driven off their lot hanging off like that no matter how excited the owner was to drive it out . . again, in my opinion only because when I bought my rig new they pulled the same thing on me just dropping the boat on the trailer. It took me many tweaks getting mine correct. Almost every aspect of matching my trailer to the boat was wrong.

I had awful tongue weight which was causing the rig to bounce all over the place when trailering and it would sway back and forth at 55 mph wearing tires down.

My rig was hanging a foot off the bunks, which as another poster has said would have caused hooking to the transom.

I had to move the axle back one or two sets of holes after getting the boat in the right place. One should not have to "add" bunk pieces for a boat that is improperly positioned on the trailer. Bunks themselves can be repositioned.

I had to do all this stuff myself as I took delivery in June and to bring it back to the same enept people that didn't have a clue (or did not care and are now of course out of business) I was not going to give them the boat as July and August which were also their busiest months.

Re-positioning the rig yourself in your driveway is sometimes not easy as the bunks are are dry. I first had to slide the boat onto my lawn to reposition the axle 1 hole. Which of course was not enough. After a test drive I knew one hole was not enough so this time around I brought it down to a quiet boat launch and floated the boat and moved the axle in the parking lot for the 2nd hole.

Most important is getting that tongue weight correct first before you pull out the drill :eek: If you have to re-position that winch you are going to have extra sets of holes, more holes only serve to weaken the overall structure.

Moving boat up is easy since you have a winch, but in your case your winch is not going to be bolted down yet. Getting rig off trailer is a pain as is moving it backwards on trailer. I had to use a chain hooked to the rear tie down hooks and around a tree to get boat of and my rig empty is only 700 lbs but the O/B is like another 150. So unless you have jacks, pieces of wood, jack stands it's a tricky process moving that kind of weight around.

Take a pic for us of the area behind your wheels to see if there are extra axle holes or it's just clamped on. I had 4 sets of holes.

None of this is really your job to do when you buy a new boat, it was the dealers. But if you don't want to lose it during boating season if you take pics along the way and since there are so many variables here you might have to deal with: bunk position, post position, boat position and axle position we can help you along the way. I only have experience with my own last few rigs as to trailer positioning and I never knew how off it was until other posters chimed in seeing how my rig was positioned incorrectly.

There are a lot of posters with much experience here (not me). They will chime in and help you along the way if they see you are moving in the wrong direction tweaking your rig. They are usually the ones with many thousands of posts, I personally tend to rely on their input first before I'd pull out the drill!

If you pull off the post first, reposition the boat and maybe tape the post farther up and then put a bathroom scale under the end of the tougue under the hitchball lock with a board across the scale to rest the trailer end on and see if you can get it around 10% to start. Some setups might need 10-15%.
others 7-10%. This is a link to "my" trailers webpage: http://www.shorelandr.com/pages/pf_trstep3.htm

Google this for your trailer. See if they have it up on their site or look in your docuementation if it came with any.

The only way I knew I had the correct weight was trial and error test driving. You are not going to have the liberty of moving the boat up or back a few inches once that post is mounted do to the design. Most trailers can be properly fitted to a boat, but most dealers are not going to take the time to do it.

Note: again, I'm no expert but if it was my rig, since you may be repositioning stuff, I don't like the way the right bunk is not sitting on a flat part of the hull. Maybe its OK? but I'd reposition it to ride on a flat part for "my" boat if I could, unless you don't plan to trailer much. I sometimes travel 2 hours back and forth for just a day trip depending on which lake is less windy or rainy that day.

well i was going to take the first u bolt out slide the winch pole up then take 2 c-clamps to clamp the front of the plate down to the trailer then tighen the back u-bolt up then winch away.. go for a test run . if it failed goto the launch 3 minutes away and put the boat in the water and re adjust.. im just hoping the trailer co. will send a new trailer and swap it out with me..
 

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Re: id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

That will proly work for testing......

When you loosen and slide forward...front part of base will be on the channel and back will be on the tubing.....Just stick a shim under the base to close the gap and tighten down......use good quailty clamps for the front!

Good luck
 

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Re: id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

well i was going to take the first u bolt out slide the winch pole up then take 2 c-clamps to clamp the front of the plate down to the trailer then tighen the back u-bolt up then winch away.. go for a test run . if it failed goto the launch 3 minutes away and put the boat in the water and re adjust.. im just hoping the trailer co. will send a new trailer and swap it out with me..

Well I wouldn't hold my breath on their customer service. An inexpensive trailer usually comes with customer service of the same level.
This blurb was off another site when someone asked has anyone ever had experience with this particular manufactuer?

Response (now keep in mind this was from like 2003)

Experience with Fastload Trailers??
I agree that they are a crappy company to deal with. In 1998 I bought a double axle trailer with hydrualic surge brakes and it was so out of alignment that in three months (approx 900 miles) I had to replace all four tires. I called Fastload and asked the guy what I needed to do to fix it and he yelled, yes yelled, "what the hel* did you do to knock it out of alignment", my reply was "drive it" and he got all ticked off and even nastier tellling me how it was impossible to be out of alignment and I did not know what I was talking about...

To make a very long story short, I ended up back at the dealer and they agreed it was way off. Eventually I received a new trailer from the dealer after threatening lawsuits and filing a complaint with the BBB (for this and numerous other things).

Now I have a 1999 Fast Load 22-24 TX and it has been pretty good. Had to replace the brakes twice, the trailer winch handle has broken off, I have had to replace the lights as well. But these are easy repairs and now I have upgraded to higher quality components than those originally installed.

The pros are it was an inexpensive trailer and the frame is good and trailers are pretty easy to fix when something breaks. Would I buy another Fastload? Doubtful.

Expidia: I think you are going to be on your own adjusting what you have now to fit your rig. Not a big deal as most trailers are pretty adjustable. From the few posts I googled I doubt that they will replace your trailer. I bet they will tell you the dealer sold you one that is too small for that boat and go back to the dealer. Let us know what they came back with?
 

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Re: id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

this was going to be my fix...


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perry barras

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Re: id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

That will proly work for testing......

When you loosen and slide forward...front part of base will be on the channel and back will be on the tubing.....Just stick a shim under the base to close the gap and tighten down......use good quailty clamps for the front!

Good luck
yeah i was going to get a 3/16 plate to put in the void.. then tighten down.... if i bring the post all the way ill get 12 " which is more than i need .. i measured the transom to the bunk and i have 8.5" exactly that i would have to come up on the trailer..so i have room for adjusting back and forth ..with the c-clamps till i find the sweet spot then drill 2 holes put the u-bolt in and be done with it.
 

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Re: id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

sounds like a Weiner!

Ill bet that boat realy scoots across the water>>>>>>>>>.......!
 

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Re: id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

... Can't weld aluminum to steel..need another route...

Weld a 3/8 -1/2 inch aluminum plate to the top the the trailer where you want to mount the winch post.
Then just bolt the winch post into the aluminum plate! :D
 

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Re: id like to move my crank on my trailer . any ideas? (pic)

Perry in your first photo you show the crank pointing toward the front of the trailer, in the photo of your boat being on the wrong trailer the crank is pointing toward the back of the trailer all they did was turn the crank around , and sold you the same trailer. Is my guess.
 
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