ID needed to vote

[treedancer]

Re: ID needed to vote

Quote EricKims

I'd still like and answer to this:

As if the dems say, it could hurt minorities, the poor and the elderly, how do they cash their checks (pay or social programs) or use air travel?

I will take a stab at answering your two questions Eric.

How do they cash their checks? Direct deposit, if not they cut a state issued check, that’s how the parasites that charge 33percent interest to cash them and the payday loan companies exist.

Or use air travel? Air travel you have to be joking. You don’t need to show a photo ID to go greyhound, seems that’s the way most of the poor travel around here.

 

[Plainsman]

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Thanks for the answers Tree. A couple of questions:

Are welfare checks sent via direct deposit? I believe Socail Security can be done via direct deposit.If so, didn't the person need a photo ID to open the bank account?

Greyhound addresses the poor, what about minorities and the elderly?

 

[treedancer]

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Quote EricKims

Are welfare checks sent via direct deposit? I believe Socail Security can be done via direct deposit.If so, didn't the person need a photo ID to open the bank account?

Yes the state of Missouri uses direct deposit in addition to debt cards. Over 50% of benefits are distributed through free or very low-cost direct deposit bank accounts. It saves them about fifty cents a check.

It seems to me that the Republican Party is hell bent to keep the elderly, and the poor, from voting by intentionally putting up barriers between eligible voters and the ballot box. Kind of makes one wonder doesn’t it?

They sold this phony bill by saying that it was needed to deter vote fraud, where can they point out that there was any significant vote fraud? There is no evidence that a significant number of people are showing up at the polls pretending to be other people, or that a significant number of noncitizens are voting.

The main reason for this bill is certain kinds of people the poor; minorities, disabled people and the elderly are less likely to have valid ID. They don’t have cars, and sometimes don’t even have bus fair to get to the polling place. Quite often they have let their drivers license expire, not surprising with the volatile price of gas.

There are ways for non drivers to get special ID cards, but the bill’s supporters know that many people will not go to the effort if they don’t need them to drive.

Court after court has held that voter ID laws of this kind are unconstitutional. This week, yet another one in Georgia, struck down that state’s voter ID law.

Last week, a judge in my home state Missouri, held its voter ID law to be unconstitutional. It seems that a lot of courts have struck down this kind of law as being unconstitutional but this regime just constantly tries to run roughshod over the constitution.

The real threat of voter fraud on a large scale lies with electronic voting, a threat Congress has refused to do anything about. After all the voter fraud with electronic voting in Ohio, it seems that they would be more concerned with that, there rather mum on that one, HMmmm wonder why?

Heres a link, it will I think, give you a little better understanding of what some of the poor go thru.

http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/003704.html

 

[ob]

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Well ,there is ceratainly eveidence that a significant number of illegal aliens are in this country.There is also no evidence that a "significant number" whatever number that is,of noncitizens are/were not or don't intend on voting.

So far as the GOP being hell bent on preventing the elderly or disabled from voting ,simply warrants no comment ,other than to make one wonder just who it is that seems hell bent here.Makes for some exciting gossip for people like you and me though.Well,actually more like you really.8)

 

[crunch]

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Well ,there is ceratainly eveidence that a significant number of illegal aliens are in this country.There is also no evidence that a "significant number" whatever number that is,of noncitizens are/were not or don't intend on voting.

So far as the GOP being hell bent on preventing the elderly or disabled from voting ,simply warrants no comment ,other than to make one wonder just who it is that seems hell bent here.Makes for some exciting gossip for people like you and me though.Well,actually more like you really.8)

.Yup... if you want to vote, get within the system... it's a privilege, not a right... at least as far as not having ID... the grave yard vote has always been a problem.

 

[PW2]

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Yep, TD, these laws all are about gaining some sort of advantage, as opposed to making them uniform and fair.

I would think before we start championing democracy all over the world, we would concentrate on figuring out how to practice it at home.

 

[12Footer]

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these laws all are about gaining some sort of advantage, as opposed to making them uniform and fair.

It's nice to be able to agree 100% with you at times. ID's before voting are essential to curbing ballot corruption.
Iether way (pro, or con), there will be winners and losers.

I would think before we start championing democracy all over the world, we would concentrate on figuring out how to practice it at home.

we should wait and see if they do it on their own first.. After all, at some point., we're bound to run out of airplanes and highrises .. While they run low on mutants.

 

[Gone]

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What about the Dems attempt to not count our servicemens vote in the last election. The same debate is going on now with this issue.
As for illegal aliens, there has been a ruckus at the Goshen IN sec of state office where illegals show their forged documents to get drivers licenses. If they are successful, the clerk asks "would you like to register to vote?" TRUE STORY!! A citizen called them on it and police were called to remove him. Unfortunately, these illegals now are registered and have an ID. This is insane!

 

[POINTER94]

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What exactly is there to being a citizen of this country. Free healthcare for illegals, not for citizens, setaside programs and low interest loans for non-citizens, not for citizens. We get the privedge of paying for their childrens education. Come on.........

If all you have to do is get an ID to meet your civic duty and based on the number of programs being offered to assist in getting an id, if you can't, then you really shouldn't vote. This is an open country, with lots of non-citizens coming and going, and if the price for having an open society requires you to actually prove you are an American citiizen to vote is just too difficult for some, then it shows exactly how stupid and pathetic some in our society have become. Freedom isn't always easy, sometimes you have to actually get a picture id. WOW.

Note: anyone who gets caught messing with elections should do hard time. Like the democrat in Milwaukee collecting up homeless and giving them cartons of cigs for voting for Kerry. Unfortunately she wasn't prosecuted because they didn't think it was worth the cost. They were wrong.

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2000/12/10/loc_bronson_marlboros.html

 

[Plainsman]

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Poniter, Don't forget the in-state tuition for the illegals as well.


In Georgia the state even offered to come to a persons house and make an ID on the spot for them. What is possibly wrong with that? How can that be wrong and not legal?

 

[Boomyal]

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My point exactly. One party did not see our Service Men and Women as important, in the 2K election. They did everything to bar those votes from being counted. Thank goodness they lost that court battle.

Makes my blood boil! And this from the Party that is supposed to have all the caring Progressive Thinkers in it.

"Make every vote count" unless of course it is not a likely vote for the Party that brought you Ted (the swimmer) Kennedy, Howard Dean and Charlie Rangle.

Actually, it's just another page out of Orwell's 1984. They called it Double Speak. Say one thing, mean the exact opposite.

Yep, TD, these laws all are about gaining some sort of advantage, as opposed to making them uniform and fair.

...and the beat goes on. I rest my case! How many people would actually go out of their way to get fake ID just to vote, as opposed to those who would vote illegally without any great effort.

It's the same logic that liberals whenever and where ever. Take some impropriety that is an infinitesimal part of the whole and try to make it sound like a uniform problem to gain their advantage.

 

[POINTER94]

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Eric,

Nothing is wrong with it, this whole thing is a red herring. Actually having to prove you are an American citizen to vote, wow we do live in he11.

Every invalid vote lessens our country. Unfortunately some benefit from them and don't care about accuracy, just the outcome.

 

[rolmops]

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The need to have a proper ID in order to be allowed to cast a vote is basic and there should be no need for discussion. It is a just requirement in order to prevent double voting and the like.
This being said,it is not just someones right to vote,it is also a civic duty. Something tells me that those, rich or poor,young or old who do not see the importance of being able to prove their idendity, are not very motivated to fulfill their civic duty.
In cliff hanger states,the interested political parties should go out and reach their voters now, to make sure that anyone who has the right to vote also has the basic requirements to do so.This means reaching out to your constituents and making sure that when voting day has arrived,the papers are ready to be used.
Shame on politicians who make it hard to acquire these papers in order to influence the outcome of an election.
that would be comparable to setting up too few voting boots in heavily populated areas so people will not be able to vote.

 

[Plainsman]

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Eric,

Nothing is wrong with it, this whole thing is a red herring. Actually having to prove you are an American citizen to vote, wow we do live in he11.

Every invalid vote lessens our country. Unfortunately some benefit from them and don't care about accuracy, just the outcome.

The second question was for treedancer, I forgot to put his name there, but thanks for your response.

 

[ob]

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Shame on politicians who make it hard to require these papers in order to influence the outcome of an election.
that would be comparable to setting up too few voting boots in heavily populated areas so people will not be able to vote.

Shame on what politicians?? Is it just one parties supporter that is having trouble casting their vote or does both the left and the right share in a co-conspiracy?Those were rhetorical questions.

 

[rolmops]

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"Shame on any politician who makes it hard to acquire" is what I meant to say.
Sorry about using the wrong phrase.
I do believe that there are politicians on both sides of the isle, whose only goal is winning the election no matter what goes by the wayside.

 

[Tyme2fish]

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ID? We don't need no sticking ID!
Vote early. Vote often.

 

[bekosh]

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ID? We don't need no sticking ID!
Vote early. Vote often.

Spoken like a true democrat.
Double Voting angry