If you where the parent what would you do?

Reel Poor · Feb 28, 2006

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The most common question kids ask is, Why? Are all of the parents ready, or better yet, ABLE/WILLING to answer this question without being abusively discriminating. Say what you will, but I think I would have a hard time myself if I learned about one of my kids teachers only from my child comming home confused and asking question about him/her, he/she, it, whatever. The article I read said elementary school. Our elementary schools here include K-6 grade, that age group would be from 5-12 years of age. I say protect those kids at all cost. Let the, whatever, teach college, or maybe even high school, at least these kids have been enlightened and are aware of this type of lifestyle.

If you where the parent what would you do?

I'd jump up and down, stomp my feet, and try to roll some heads.

Andrew Leigh · Feb 28, 2006

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Originally posted by JB: One thing most are ignoring is that children, particularly small ones, are not judgemental and don't carry a lot of phobia baggage. They accept this sort of thing with. . ."Oh. Okay. What time is recess?" If she has a problem I think it will be with adults, not children.

You are correct JB. Children are not judgemental nor do they carry baggage. These children learn from individuals who are "role models", good or bad. Not with you on this one. Don't ask the young to make adult decisions. Thats why we have adults, to assist when decision making requires knowledge based on experience. So what C%$^P are they going to learn from their next transgender teacher during recess? I remember one "transgender teacher" at school (who taught BIBLE CLASS) who offered young students money to "relieve his muscular stress", whilst he was less than clothed. What did they learn??? Eventually he was accosted by some seniors and he was forced to jump out the 2nd floor window, breaking both legs. If an individual takes 71 years (extremely long learning curve) to realise their sexuality then they should not force this "new found" philosophy on young teens!!!!! Cheers Andrew

JB · Feb 28, 2006

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By the time one is 71 sexuality is irrelevant. The testosterone has dwindled to near zero. Gender may well be very relevant to some, like the woman in this case. Just what is it you are afraid she is gonna "preach"? Do you think all of the other teachers are free of ideas you don't want your children to adopt? Do you worry about those ideas being contagious? Are you afraid (phobic) that transgenderism is contagious? Adults are phobic about what they don't share or understand. Recognise the difference between phobia and fact.

QC · Feb 28, 2006

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JB, I must assume that you are responding to Andrew, but I want to make it clear that my responses have nothing to do with phobia. It is simply that a 10 year old would have to be an idiot not to ask "What the heck happened to the man teacher that is now a woman teacher?", when he or she got home from school that day. Although I agree that the same kid will find out about these things sometime, again, it should be delayed as soon as possible. Let these kids learn about fishing and boating and making things that roll down hills. They can learn about sex change operations later.

alden135 · Feb 28, 2006

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Sorry QC, it's not up to you anymore. Your kids need to be exposed to everything, and at as young an age as possible, or your a racist, bigoted, phobic, uninformed, uneducated bad parent.

mike5097 · Feb 28, 2006

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OK... here's a story...... A couple of years ago I was scheduled for a hip replacement operation when my primary care physician suddenly announced he would be taking an indefinite leave of absence and dropped of the face of the earth. This guy was probably the best family doctor I had ever met. He was just complete natural. Apparently the reason was a great mystery to all who knew him and worked with him. When I was getting prepped at the hospital, nurses would realize who my doctor was and pepper me with questions about it. The general consensus was that he had cancer or something like that, but nobody knew anything. About 10 months after my surgery I got a phone call from my wife. She said that she had received a strangely worded postcard from the Anytown Family Practice offices. I asked her to read it to me and this is what it said....... "Doctor Mary Smith, formerly known as Doctor John Jones, is proud to announce her return to the Anytown Family Practice and is accepting new patients at this time." My wife asked me what do you think this means? I told her that there was only one thing it could mean and why doesn't she call and find out? She did not want to do it, so I ended up calling. I did not quite know how to put it so I told the receptionist that I had received a strange post card in the mail. Before I could say another word, she sighed and said Yes,,,,,,Doctor Jones has changed his gender!!! I thanked her and called my wife back. Our son was about 6 years old at the time and my wife was dead set that we were going to find another Doctor. Doctor Jones/Smith was such a good Doctor and had done so much for my family that it was a hard decision for me. But because of my son, we decided to switch. I understand the no preformed conceptions stuff, but decided that a six year old should not have to understand why his man doctor suddenly started dressing like a women, and that I should not have to explain it to a child. The funny thing is that 5 years later, my son had a skateboard accident and ended up in the emergency room. Doctor Smith was there and treated my boy. She was a very nice grandmotherly sort of women. I had a nice chat with her? and explained why we had switched doctors and Doctor Smith said that she understood. She said that we had done the right thing in her eyes. She mentioned that she had lost a lot of her family patients, but her practice had rebounded. I asked her if she ever disclosed her gender change to her new patients. She replied that she will talk about it when asked, but most people knew. She said that she still gets a lot of one-time patients. I asked my son about how he liked the doctor at the emergency room and he told me she was really cool. He also said that she seemed really familiar. I dont thing I ever told him the story. Im just a chicken I guess. I always thought that she should have revived her practice in a different town where she was not so well known when she was a he. (what a strange sentence) That would have been the easiest way to do it. Start a new life so to speak. I always wondered why she did not do this. But I suppose that was her way of proving that she was comfortable with herself and her new identity. Im sure it wasnt easy, and I have to give her credit for standing up for what she believed in. On one hand, the teacher would just have to face a short period of people accepting her at her old school since they knew her before, and on the other hand would probably have a much harder time at a new school especially if she tried to keep it hidden and was found out. However, I do not think that the kids should have to be exposed to this kind of stuff in school, and it should totally be at the PARENTS discretion if they are. And at 71 years of age, she should just retire and go on a cruise or something. Mike

NOSLEEP · Feb 28, 2006

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If sexuality is irrelevant by 71 and testosterone is not a factor. Why the gender change? Is it just a fetish, or a coming out. Perhaps its just a personal expression of gender preference. Unfortunately teachers do try to pass on their personal ideals. I remember when I was in high school. The science teacher was upset about a comment that was made in the class room regarding a few students that were late for the class. One male student joked that these young males were late because they were petting each other. This caused the teacher to go on a tyrant about how students should experiment with their sexuality and how it was perfectly normal for boys to experiment sexually with other boys. Which the majority of our red neck class thought was disgusting. Later on in life some 20 years later I learned about how that teacher was later charged with child molestation on a half dozen young boys from my school. Its not that I think teachers will prey on children. Its that It happens in all walks of life. I am not naive enough to believe that persons of authority do not promote their own beliefs when giving the opportunity. Especially when they feel they make themselves feel more normal and acceptable. I also had a teacher in elementary school removed from the class room while in progress in the late 60'S for sexual perversion. He was in his late 60's I didn't know at the time that rubbing our homework on his crotch while sitting at his desk was perversion. But apparently the school board did when we told the other teachers and our parents. I believe that sexuality other than sex education should not be taught or promoted in schools. Gender preference should be left until the final years of High school. And students should not be subjected to the sexual philosophy's of gay and lesbian school teachers until that time.

Reel Poor · Feb 28, 2006

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I agree with Alden that its not my choice anymore.....And thats where I have a problem. I live my life based on a simple standard, set by morals and laws that I learned, to decide whether something is right or wrong. If you dont thats fine, I can also respect that, as you should respect my view, like it or not. I dont think my kids should have to be captively exposed to ways of life by so called rollmodels that are living on the edge of a radical society that I disagree with. I dont think impressionable kids should be exposed to things like this that are IMO not normal. To me this is no different than having a radical individual teaching your kids. Now you ask, whats radical? Well you fill in the blank, racist?, bigot?, transexual?, dope head?, petifile?, whatever group of society you disagree with. Sooner or later an unpopular/questionable topic is going to arise and how this radical responds does make a difference. Now back to the subject at hand, it may be becoming more mainstream and accepted by some, but no argument will ever turn me to believe that this kind of behavior is "normal" or has to be accepted. I may and do have to live with it, but in no way will I condon it, and my kids should not be taught this is "normal" either. It should be left up to them to decide once they mature as adults.

CN Spots · Feb 28, 2006

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Remember my "Now they're censoring my cartoons" thread? So... having your teacher morph into a different gender has no effect on kids but seeing a cartoon character get knocked in the head with an anvil is traumatizing? We need to de-frag our system.

spots

Bob_VT · Feb 28, 2006

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A 71 year old person has alot of life experiance and if that is passed onto the children it can be priceless knowledge. I agree w/JB and the kids will not focus on the person only upon the recess. As long as the 71 yo teaches and sticks to an approved subject - no problem. Life experiance - no problem.... focusing the children on the gender change is a problem and too much information for children to grasp - problem. We are all so quick to judge others based on what we feel. I take it all in stride. On certain occasions / circumstances we may be very surprised. This 71 yo has the chance to rise as a teacher or sink like a stone.

QC · Feb 28, 2006

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Bob_VT, How do you unfocus the children who have been taught by her when she was a him? If she was never a him to any of these children, then I have no issue.

NOSLEEP · Feb 28, 2006

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Bob, I wouldn't put a 71 year old gender transplant on a pedestal of knowledge anytime soon. Some people may think thats cute. But not with my children. And If I give my opinion. I am referring to what I would and wouldn't allow to affect my children. They are plenty of other healthy life experiences to involve them in. They will come across these things on their own time. I know, I know . I am a bigot. What ever!

deputydawg · Feb 28, 2006

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I would hope that the teacher is mature enough to know that there is no need for the students to know about his change. Many if not all of the kids will know from their own personal knowledge of this teacher, many will know from what they hear at home, and some will know from what they may hear on local news. But in time this person should be allowed to come back and teach with a don't ask don't tell policy. There is no nead for anyone to tell 5 year olds about the change. BUT many of these children will already know. I think I would be able to tell my child in good terms about what this person did with changing from a boy to a girl. But I wouldn't have the first idea of telling WHY. The WHAT is the easy thing to talk about, the WHY is impossible for me to explain. Then there is the question to answer when the child wants to do the same out of innocent childhood ideas. Teachers are bound by strong dedication to their profession. They are also bound by strong moral charactor. I am not the one to judge ones charactor as far as right and wrong, I can only judge by my own views. If this person is a good teacher caring about the children then they should be allowed to teach. If this person is living a life not of strong morals then they should not. If this person can keep their views on sexuality to themselves then they should be allowed to teach.....given enough time passing that the little kids are grown enough to not dwell on the change. My answer to what to say to a child.....I don't know and hope I don't have to.

tommays · Feb 28, 2006

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Well let me see I got nailed in 1968 buy a pillar of the community he was the school psychologist /scoutmaster/ ********* /completely NORMAL buy all community standards. It was easer for the adults to disbelieve the awful truth and allow him to become one of the most prolific *********s of our times rather than face the reality and shame of what had happened to there children I bring this up because you guys are worried about a person who pretty much has a 0% chance of hurting one of your children. Now I can say with 100% certainty that with in your area and more than likely working with in your school system there is another Edward Morra who everybody thinks is normal but has his eyes on children. Ed is famous NOW buy the way you can Google him, he is now case law on the responsibility of how peoples backgrounds are checked who work around children http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=nicini+vs+morra&btnG=Search Samuel Alito even heard some of the appeals tommays

cpj · Feb 28, 2006

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So did he/she go to the Russian doctor to get the operation done? That would be Dr. Kutyurkockoff.

As far as her/him whatever, keep it out of the school. Bigoted? Yep. Do I care? Nope. If you are a guy and you get your **** cut off because you think your a woman or whatever, YOU ARE A FREAK! And you neednt be around my kids, period.

BRG25 · Feb 28, 2006

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Just ain't right...

ob · Feb 28, 2006

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Originally posted by BRG25: Just ain't right...

I wonder if he/she is heterophobic?

cpj · Feb 28, 2006

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Originally posted by JB: By the time one is 71 sexuality is irrelevant. The testosterone has dwindled to near zero. Gender may well be very relevant to some, like the woman in this case. Just what is it you are afraid she is gonna "preach"? Do you think all of the other teachers are free of ideas you don't want your children to adopt? Do you worry about those ideas being contagious? Are you afraid (phobic) that transgenderism is contagious? Adults are phobic about what they don't share or understand. Recognise the difference between phobia and fact.

The FACT is, this is not normal.(yeah yeah, who defines normal) Anyone who cuts off their manhood,and exchanges it for womanhood, IS A WACK JOB! (no pun intended) Definition of phobia: "a persistent, irrational fear accompanied by a compelling desire to avoid the object, activity, or situation that provokes the fear." Call me phobic then. And call the he/she phobic also.He was obviously "phobic" of his "object",(see above defintion) as he had it cut off. The up side to this is the "it" can have the surgery reversed. The procedure is called an addadictome.

SS MAYFLOAT · Feb 28, 2006

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If I was a memember of the school board, the answer on my part would be NO! Just because of what controversary that it would create for the school. Now it has because they let him/her/it continue to teach. As for the effect on the kids? I don't think it will matter for those that young. Their hormones at that age haven't even started yet. Middle school and high school, the teacher would be ridiculed out of the classroom.JMO

deputydawg · Mar 1, 2006

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In this country doing something like this gaurantees someone a job. If their job is not retained there is more than enough grounds for a lawsuit.

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