ignition and charging problems

72Glastron

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I have 1972 Johnson 85hp with Points, CDI Powerpack (non tach wire), CDI coil V-4.

Recently this season, I ran into a major missfire situation that I was able to cure by cleaning the Distributor contact areas and the rotor contact area. Afterwards it ran great untill yesterday it starting acting up again. Thinking I had the same problem, I tore it down only to find the distributor and rotor are still very clean. I then started trouble shooting and found erratic off and on spark to #2 cylinder and weak spark to #4. I adjusted the points and even swapped them around with no change. If I disconnect all the spark plug wires I get great spark (1/2") from number 2. This is when I went to test the powerpack and coil. I swapped the coil with a known good one thinking it was coil failure, but same result. I then tested the blue wire from the Powerpack to coil and noticed black OOzing from my rectifier. the rectifier is cooked/burnt smell and outputing 18volts. I went ahead and tested my Powerpack and on my DMM only could get a max reading of 150volts during cranking. The powerpack has 12.4v going to it. That is 50 less then the desired spec. of 200 according to the flow chart.

My questions are:
(1) will the 150v from the powerpack cause the erractic no spark/weak spark or is it all in my distributor cap? I checked the #2 wire and found continuity, but what should it OHM out to?

(2) how can I properly test the stator output? I put my DMM on the two yellow wires outputing from the stator and the AC voltage was everywhere on the meter for me to get a reading.

(3) If it is in the distributor cap, where can I find one? I have looked at parts online and cant seem to come up with one.

Sorry for the long thread, but I am at a loss for which componant is failed.

Sam
 

HighTrim

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Re: ignition and charging problems

To check your stator, disconnect yellow lead and yellow/gray lead at the terminal block. Connect the red meter lead to either yellow lead and meter black lead to ground to check for shorts. An infinite reading on HI ohms scale indicates the windings are good. Connect ohmmeter to LO ohms scale between the yellow and yellow /gray leads. A reading of .25 ohms + or - .1 indicates the windings are good, and an infinite or very high reading indicates the windings are open.

As far as the power pack, im unsure of which leads to disconnect to check, I BELIEVE it is terminals 6 and 11, but you will need a manual or someone more familiar with your motor to verify. If it is, place ohmmeter in hi ohms scale, connect your ohmmeter leads between those terminals and note meter reading. Reverse ohmmeter leads and note reading. An infinite or very high reading in both directions indicates diodes are open. A low ohms reading in both directions (approx 100 ohms) indicates a shorted diode. A normal diode will read resistance in one direction and infinite in the other. If diode is defective, youll need to replace the power pack. Note, if this is the case, it could be causing your rough running engine.
 

72Glastron

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Re: ignition and charging problems

My powerpack has 4 wire input. Red is battery voltage in; Black/white stripe is ground input back from points, blue is output voltage to coil tower; and solid black is ground.

UPDATE!!: I tore down to the coil/rotor assembly again and with the key in the run position (power pack whining), the rotor turned in the proper position to fire on #2 cylinder, spark tester on #2 wire with 1/2" gap, and unplugged the black/white from points to powerpack, I grounded the black/white rapidly and found/heard fire in dist. cap half of the times and it would spark at the tester the other half. I inspected the cap/rotor very well (magnify glass) and can find no carbon tracing or cracks, however it is popping in the dist/rotor area. I took off the stator (THANKS HI TRIM FOR THE TEST PROCEDURE!!) and it still is sparking in the cap. (I was thinking it could have been cracked and sparking out to the stator), I assume a new Dist. and Rotor are in my future. Anyone have any? or know where I can find one?

Sam
 

72Glastron

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Re: ignition and charging problems

thanks again... that was the correct rotor... but the cap is p/n 383522... I found one on ebay and in process of bidding....

Thanks again for the quick responses!! I am neebie to boards, but will continue to post!!
 
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