Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Shangster

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I'd love to hear some ideas and discussion about my current plan to mount a large floodlight on the bow rail of my 22' cruiser so I can safely pound my way across 3.5 miles of log and chunk infested slop to get to work before the sun comes up. Don't even think about it? Actually, after toasting 3 legs I'm considering lashing a 110 volt lightplant to the stern and going BIG! But hey! Let's chat!
 

Shangster

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

I'd really like to find a relatively low cost way to see chunks early enough to throttle back from 25 knots. Ok, Ok --25 knots in a 22 footer in the dark is just plain not smart. This is why I am trying to find a creative solution!!
 

saltwateranglin

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Right now our nation's rescue personnel are being called upon to be ready in the event of future attacks on our soil. We don't need them to be tied up attempting to rescue a foolish boater attempting such a rediculous act as the one you are describing. I hope you do not boat in any waters near mine!
 

Shangster

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

It's just like an American to assume that the US Coast Guard is everywhere. It certainly doesn't operate around here! (50 38 North and 127 West)<br />I'd still like to discuss my challenge with experienced power boaters.
 

DP

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Looks like you are in NW Canadian waters. Regardless of where you are there is no problem running driving lights on a boat. Go with a good quality halogen system mounted as low as possible. Might want to keep the speed down a bit as well.
 

saltwateranglin

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Just like a Canadian to not fill out a profile. If you do find an experienced boater to discuss your problem at least there will be one of you!
 

DP

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

saltwateranglin<br /><br />I thought the purpose of this forum was to answer questions, assist other boaters and share knowledge not to berate those who post a question you may not agree with.<br /><br />****
 

MGuckin

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Now people fight nice.<br />Everyone is entitled to their opinion.<br />Me, I would prefer to avoid someone on the water at night who is foolish enough to run thru "slop" at full throttle, but, if you insist, at least use a very, very, large light.<br /> :D
 

DP

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

I agree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and is entitled to express it. I just feel that the reply to Shangster's post was uncalled for, sarcastic and degrading.<br />If someone can't post a question on this forum and get posetive feedback what is the purpose of the forum?<br />I have been boating for 50+ years and have been in the marine industry for 40+ years. I hear all kinds of questions from the simple (I thought everyone knew that) to some I can't answer. All require the best answer you can give, from I don't know to solving the problem. If a person is asking a question they are asking for help not sarcasim.<br />****
 

suzukidave

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Shangster, I'm not as experienced a boater as you as I seem to be three wrecked legs and at least one burned bridge behind, but I think you can mount as many lights on the bow of your boat (let me guess, a Sangster?) as you like and they won't save your leg or your hull from the floating by-products of our province's #1 industry (that's logging for the rest of you) if you run fast at night. 3.5 miles at 12 knots instead of 25 knots is only an extra 7 minutes out of your day.<br /><br />If you can back her off a bit then my suggestion is you forget about putting a remote spotlight on your bow. I have yet to see a rail mounted remote control spotlight I like and the ones that mount through-hull onto your deck at the bow seem to leak and rot in our climate. <br /><br />I suggest you either mount one or more portable spot lights up over your head at the helm with a hand control (that you can pack away out of the weather when you're not using it), or put fixed fisheye spotlights in the hull at the bow, which are reliable and will reduce glare. <br /><br />Meantime, play nice with our neighbours down south. You posted to a US based website with a question about "illegal" nav lights and didn't give a home base on your profile. Did you expect people to reach for their copy of the Small Vessel Regulations to the Canada Shipping Act?
 

saltwateranglin

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Am I missing something here? We often run at night in the Delaware Bay and 50 miles off the coast of OC MD. Sure...we run on good clear nights at 15 to 25 kts when conditions allow it. Not in waters known to be full of dead heads, logs and "chunks". Even with a good light it's extremely risky business. I can just hear the radio of a captain who just lost his night vision from 2,000,000 candle power of concentrated high intensity beam coming at him. Maybe I came on strong with my comment but honestly...the post seemed like a joke of some kind. If you are seriously interested in doing what you say Shangster, well then, good luck!
 

Shangster

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Holy Hayzuz! I must admit that I did want to bring attention to my problem but I hope I haven't insulted too many members and totally ruined my reputation! Looks like a round of apologies are in order to start with.........<br />1. I apologize for not having filled out a profile prior to posting ----This I will do in the near future. I'm pretty wary of giving out more info than is necessary but I accept the idea that those that are willing to share some personal data have "earned" additional "legitimacy" in the sense that they are willing to stand behind (somewhat at least) their statements and comments. The only time in my life I have been wary of being identified is since I have come to use the internet. Because I sense this website is one that I can both use and contribute to I have decided to fill out a profile.<br />2. Without going into a wide discussion of "What is a US website and is the internet fairly well known to be international in nature?"--- I apologize for not identifying my local waters as Canadian. I actually made the assumption that lights like this would be illegal in ANY waters---- (except in emergencies.) As a lot of you probably know, NOTHING can come back to bite you quicker than making assumptions when involved in maritime activities.<br />3. And although I felt justified at the time in making my "Just like an American" comment (because of my Irish ancestry and the tongue lashing from saltwateranglin), I realize a couple of things now. The first is that my initial posting DOES sound like it comes from the kind of person you don't want to meet on the water and the second is that bashing someone for being American is using unfair stereotypes. So I apologize to saltwateranglin for that comment. (I actually hope we can see eye to eye someday on some issues)AND, I have actually been thinking quite positively about Americans lately because of the events of 9/11. I think Canadians need to continue to support the American people and make significant sacrifices to help to solve this horrible situation.<br /> Anyway, now that I've done some serious atoning I'd like to make a few additional comments. Hey BW17MT! (member 4545) Thank you for the support and the common sense. Common sense probably comes easy to someone with 50 years on the water but as you also know---it ain't that common! Hey suzukidave! (member 4355) If I'm up on the step I'm probably going 16-18 Knots anyway and my experience with thru-hull lights has shown them to be way too small and subject to burn out when plunged into cold water constantly. I'm thinking about a light that is considerably more powerful and as far as mounting it on my bow rail goes--I wasn't thinking of a remote controlled spotlight--more like a hard mounted high intensity narrow beam floodlight. (I've seen some killer lights on some American crab boats going by here) My bow rail is the forwardmost part of the boat and the inside steerin station looks out UNDERNEATH it so there would absolutely no reflection problem. Anyway Dave, thanx for your input--it's exactly what I was hoping to get and I know it takes effort to reply. Hey MGuckin! (member 2010) Nice name! just kidding but .....thanx for you comments too---I like the way you said "use a very, very, large light." I'm hoping to rig up a very POWERFUL light that actually isn't all that large. And maybe now is the time for me to mention that I would not use this light if/when it could hamper another vessel's ability to navigate. My commute route is crossways to the traffic flow and it's only a 10 minute blast across from beakwater to breakwater. (Unless its blowing more than 20 knots)(I would fabricate side shields also.) Another confession I have to make is that I haven't really toasted 3 legs--it's 3 propellers! (I have the Volvo Duoprop setup) The stainless wheels for my leg are about $1600.00 and I can't afford them. (yet)<br />So anyway, let me sum up the problem-----I live on one island and work on another island. If I can't figure out a way to get over there in the dark (winter light @ 50 38 N)I end up having to take a ferry that holds me back 1.5 hours---this results in me having to return by ferry late in the evening. So my work day ends up being 3 hours longer even though I have a $30,000 boat tied up 200' from my bed! One option is to idle across I guess but I have to admit I hope I don't have to do this. Probably burn more fuel running for 30-40 minutes too. <br />So thanx for the replies gentlemen--------and I'm still open for more suggestions and comments! Now I better go fill in my profile. Cheers!
 

saltwateranglin

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Shangster...your words are much appreciated. I also would like to offer my Canadian neighbor my appologies. I quess living near a bunch of nuke plants and four major east coast cities has me a little on edge lately. Guess I should probably get after some stripers in the rips to relax. I am sure we can see eye to eye on many issues. Welcome aboard! :D
 

MGuckin

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Now that that's straighten out........<br />Sooooo, ya like my name huh?<br />Give ya a hint, guess what my last name is?<br />God Luck on your decision with the lights.<br />Mike ;)
 

araiha

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Use your light and enjoy (maybe a flood system in close supplemented by an occasional spot). Just turn it off in time so as not to hurt other boaters night vision. Be considerate of others and will probsbly be well
 

Shangster

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Thanx for the support guys---I'll continue looking for a solution. I actually kinda think I'll end up with a mercury floodlight of about 1000-1500 watts---- so I'll probably have to go to AC power from a small genset on my back deck so I can avoid packing big batteries. There'll be no problem fabricating a breakaway mount on the bow rail so I can stow it in the locker for most of the year.
 

DP

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Good luck neighbor. Just boat safe.
 

suzukidave

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Shangster, I've got to get my charts out so I can further narrow down your profile with those coordinates you gave. I am surprised to hear about your view on thru-hull lights but I'll admit I've not used them myself, just seen them on lots of commuter and commercial boats. It sounds like you've found they are just as unreliable as remote spotlights.<br /><br />I can't offer much help on the light plant side of things, but be careful where it's pointing on shore as well as at sea so as not to make enemies. The Cdn coast guard boats use a high power floodlight for night dockings and I have a summer place just to one side of the end of a government wharf. They come in once or twice a month at night. When that thing is pointed inshore it's like the spacecraft landing scene in close encounters of the third kind in every room in the place even when they are still a fair ways offshore. If anybody other than the coastguard ever did that to me, I'd seriously consider taking self-help steps to shut it down if the authorities wouldn't.<br /><br />I therefore suggest you still consider conventional spotlights and a slower speed. Do you have trim tabs or have you considered larger trim tabs? I would have thought adjusting trim tabs would allow you to stay on step down to 10-15 mph. I run a 19' with a volvo V6 and it stays on plane down to about 12-15mph if you play with the tabs, and I just put self-adjusted tabs on my own 16' and it will plane at 10mph. I admit it would hurt an outboard to do that for 3.5 miles daily, but maybe not so hard on an i/o.
 

Hooty

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Yo Shangster,<br />The really hot set-up for automobile lights today are HID's (high intensity discharge) and they are BRIGHT. They are also high-dollar. Haven't seen any for marine use but I would think someone has 'um.<br /><br />Good luck & c/6<br /><br />hooty
 

Shangster

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Re: Illegal running lights OK sometimes?

Hi Suzuki---The thru-hull lights I have seen are usually sold as docking lights. The ones I am familiar with are about 4" diameter and you can adjust the angle of light projection. They are OK for docking I guess but if you have a spotlight to size up the hole you're going into they end up being mostly decoration anyway. I've seen them punched out in bad weather also and if they are mounted below the main deck this can be bad news! The ones I am familiar with can't really light up much beyond about 40'-50' and I'm thinking I'll need warning out to at least 150'. Also, if I was to mount some in my hull they would be under water half the time if the weather was dirty. I appreciate your input and I know what you mean about being careful not to blind anyone! Almost no quicker way to urine somebody off!
 
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