Illinois small estate affidavit for boats? Trying to stop boating?

[ba_50]

What is the Illinois govt trying to do, stop boating?

A 14' aluminum boat with bench seats and trailer was bought at an auction.

The buyer was given a receipt, death certificate, and title signed by his wife. Recently a title was applied for and it all came back.
Now they want an affidavit which will apparently require hiring a lawyer! The wife is gone and so is the auctioneer. All this for a $65 boat and trailer.

It takes the DNR at least 120 days to process this stuff because they don't have enough help. Now they complicate it even more?

Boats and fishing used to mean rest and relaxation. What happened to the days when you bought a boat, threw it in the water and went?

We can only hope they cease boat and trailer registration altogether so we can get things back to normal! When will it end?

 

[This_lil_fishy]

Re: Illinois small estate affidavit for boats? Trying to stop boating?

Don't know about the States, but here in Canada registration isn't even proof of ownership. It's astonishing how inept our governments can be.


Ian

 

[rbh]

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Affidavit, lawyer.
You do have notary's??? $20 bucks.

 

[fishrdan]

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There are businesses that can "clean" that title for you, not cheap though, something like $300. I guess they title it in a state that could care less who owned it in the past, then you can take it into your local DMV/DOW with good paperwork.

 

[Frank Acampora]

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I just bought a boat and trailer here in Pa. The deceased's wife showed up at the notary with a death certificate and all the paperwork. Boat was good to go because it is titled by Fish and Game. Trailer titled by DMV needed a will in addition to other paperwork. Something new! WTF?

 

[iop]

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When will it end?

When the economy completely collapses and BS ends...
There will be a period of very intense violence followed by civil war and possible invasions... but after that... Bon voyage!!!

 

[Pez Vela]

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Shame on the auctioneer for failing to screen the seller for proper documentation establishing that she (decedent's wife?) was the registered owner of the boat. The decedent (seller's husband) probably registered the boat in his name only. A lesson learned at small expense for you and a nice heads up for us all.

 

[TilliamWe]

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... When will it end?

Never. Sorry.

 

[ba_50]

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Affidavit, lawyer.
You do have notary's??? $20 bucks.

What good would a notary do? They ask about income and a lot of personal stuff about the deceased. They wouldn't know that.

No way am I going to hire a lawyer.

A couple of years ago I had a problem getting a title and called the DNR, and after getting frustrated, told the lady it was all a bunch of nonsense. She said "Oh, thanks a lot" and hung up and wouldn't answer the phone. Wish I'd have gotten her name.

Everybody needs to know what is required and check the paperwork at auctions because they have messed me up twice now on boats and trailers.

 

[paidfor]

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here in Texas you better have the title for both the boat and motor (unless it is 25 years old), or YOU WILL NOT get it registered. I just sit down there at TPW for an hour watching them turn people down left and right for not having the signed title for the boat and motor...and TPW forms have to be signed by the seller too!!!! This all has to happen before a transfer will happen. Buying and selling cars/trucks is simple compared to buying a boat.

In the end, I had to get the executor of the estate (orig. owner had passed away) to meet me at TPW to get all of the documentation signed and transfered. Once that is all done to their standards, I got it transfered. But what a waste of time......on the other hand I would rather have it done right than get a ticket from a Game Warden.

At least I know now....get the signed title for the boat and motor and a COMPLETE Bill of Sale with everything on it.

 

[Pez Vela]

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Everybody needs to know what is required and check the paperwork at auctions because they have messed me up twice now on boats and trailers.

You know what they say, "Fool me once ... shame on you. Fool me twice ... shame on me."

And by the way, the "small estate affidavit' must be completed and signed by the decedent's wife, not by you.

 

[109jb]

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What good would a notary do? They ask about income and a lot of personal stuff about the deceased. They wouldn't know that.

No way am I going to hire a lawyer.

A couple of years ago I had a problem getting a title and called the DNR, and after getting frustrated, told the lady it was all a bunch of nonsense. She said "Oh, thanks a lot" and hung up and wouldn't answer the phone. Wish I'd have gotten her name.

Everybody needs to know what is required and check the paperwork at auctions because they have messed me up twice now on boats and trailers.

I also live in Illinois and our DNR sucks. I had a similar problem with a snowmobile registration. I can't remember what their deal was but they sent everything back. I simply went online and registered it in Wisconsin. No problems. Didn't even have to send in the signed registration by the previous owner. They said just told me to keep it in case a question ever arose. Wisconsin doesn't care if you live there to register. You can live in Timbuktu and they will let you register and its easy. They also answer the phone. Illinois DNR might take 10 tries before a real person actually answers the phone.

 

[Alpheus]

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When I lived in PA you had to have both buyer and seller at the notary or DMV with govt. ID and the title had to be signed in the presence of the Notary along with a blood and urine sample

Here in VA, I purchased a truck in SC that was in the husband and wifes name and the husband was the only one who signed off because his wife died. I took a copy of the death certificate and signed title to the VA DMV and presented my paper work. The lady leaned over the counter and said "There is about 10 forms you must fill out and its gonna take 4-6 weeks for you to get your truck registered". She then asked if I had a girlfriend. I said yes. She said take this title and have your girlfriend sign the wifes name "so it looks girly" and bring it back. I called back the guy I bought the truck from and asked if He had a problem with this. He said nope do what ya gotta do. Needless to say,
the new title and registration was in my hand 2 hours later. Crazy right???

Just watch these and you'll get the point of VA DMV...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jOFf_KB3lI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owvO640ODwA&feature=related

 

[macsfriended]

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Yep, official sillyness at work.

I had Missouri request an affidavit related to a boat title transfer so:

1. Go to your word processer program.

2. Type AFFIDAVIT in larger type centered across the top of the page.

3. State the facts simply and briefly, and
"respectively request" timely title issuance. Sign in front of a notary with his/her statement and submit with all the other usual state paperwork.

4. Probably will workout OK. And I know Illlinois takes forever.

 

[sasto]

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Come down to FL for a vacation this winter. Register the boat here....no problem....You can reregister the clean boat with title and registration back in Illi.

 

[ba_50]

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Pez Vela...

Getting fooled twice is possible because myself, auctioneer people, and sometimes the govt workers (yes, they can't read the forms) don't know what is going on with all the different ways to trip someone up. It is getting so we need a lawyer to get anything done. Too many laws. The wife has since disappeared so it doesn't make any difference who signs it, but good to know.


The Wisconsin or homeade affidavit ideas sound like a solution. I heard Georgia is a lot simpler too.

Blood sample and urine test, that's a new one.

The Springfield people say they will call back but never do. They are great at passing the buck on the phone to someone else though who doesn't know anything either. Not answering the phone is common too.

 

[Biged007]

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Anytime there's a sale due to death it gets messy just thank God you don't live in Ct. where the (D)ept. of (M)ental (V)egtables and I hope one of you inept $%#%$##%$rds are reading this Oh God don't get me going wish your friend the best of luck.
Ed

 

[sublauxation]

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Moving from WI to MN I needed a title for my trailer. Since WI doesn't license or title trailers I just registered it as a home built trailer (I wonder if I should take the brand name stickers off now?) Good as new now. The processes do suck but I'd guess it's a lousy attempt to try making it difficult to sell stolen stuff.

 

[F14CRAZY]

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That is a lot of BS. Maybe you should bring it to Michigan...

I bought an old Kawasaki Jet Ski. No title. Went to a Secretary of State office (DMV) with my bill of sale and HIN...they said a record check on the HIN would be needed and to come back later in the day. Came back, they said it was good, gave me registration stickers and mailed the title.

Seems that unless it's reported to be stolen that MI doesn't give a flip

 

[Home Cookin']

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The auctioneers and even the title clerks don't always know all the requirements. A lot of the unnecessary and impractical requirements are faqll-out from homeland security issues.
When regulation gets that burdensome, it prompts law-abiding citizens to break (avoid) the law--forgeries, "home made", etc. But there aren't enough people bothered with it to get the legislators to tune up the law so it makes sense.

We boaters all know the basic principle that with boats, it is not "one size fits all." but the government, devoid of common sense, treats the $60 jon boat like a $600,000 yacht.
I remember when life was simpler (in Virginia) and you only registered motor boats with motors 10hp and up. Then they said "all boats". Canoes too small for the required letters had to be registered. We had old boats laying around the hunt club for over 30 years that we had to get titled. Took all the king's horses and all the king's men. What a waste. And I'm sure the state lost money on the $30 registration fees, for all the resources it had to devote to it.
One of the worst things that can happen to you, is someone gives you an old boat.