Info needed on linolium removal...

Bob in Calif.

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I am planning to put my second house on the market by Oct. 1st, but I am having a litttle trouble with removing the linolium in the kitchen, three bathrooms and the laundry/utility area.<br /><br />The linolium is gluded down down and is at least 40 years old. I just can't get it to separate from the wood flooring underneath and I don't want to damage the wood, too much.<br /><br />I also suspect, the linolium being made that long ago, will probably contain asbestos.<br /><br />I will be replacing the old linolium with new. I don't think it would be a good idea to put the new over the old, would it? The floors are very level.<br /><br />Thanks in avdance.. ...Bob in Calif...
 

skeezx01

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Re: Info needed on linolium removal...

same problen encountered here.heres what we did.<br />used a leveling compound to fill any cracks and spaces left after loose tiles were removed, then put new flooring over old. we put down that new snap together laminate flooring, love it. the asbestos is not a problem if it is not disturbed and the particles become airborn. an in expensive kit is available from menards, lowes, etc. to test this stuff. if it is stuck down good leave it alone, cover it up, and forget about it.if you don't test it you don't know what it is and don't have to disclose same when the property is sold. if you test it, and it is asbestos, you may have to give disclosure upon sale and that can cost you big$$$!
 

Bob in Calif.

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Re: Info needed on linolium removal...

Thanks ndemge..........great site<br /><br />skeezx01.......The linolium is the full roll type. I have replaced the square tiles in one of the bathrooms in my main home and that was quite easy, but the rolled linolium is a whole different ballgame.<br /><br />Thank you both for the quick replies.<br /><br />...Bob in Calif... ( the quicker I list the house and sell it, the quicker I get my new, bigger boat) :cool:
 

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asbestos or not your best bet is removing it and starting with a clean substrate. Chances are that it's very brittle and from all the years of traffic on certain spots is going to seem close to impossible to get up. I've used a sharpened ice scraper to get up the less then impossible stuff then regular 2" chisel an hammer to up the tough stuff. Pick up some seem filler (dry mix) and strike gouges and irregularities with it (2 thin applications are better than 1 thick), let set, scrape any excess or highs, sweep-vacume-wipe, then your set to install.
 

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bob, you can probably install over the old linoleum, but there's a chance you'll have adhesion problems. as for asbestos content, the linoleum probably doesn't contain any, but the mastic may. while it's not really friable, you still need to dispose of it properly. the right way is to get a qualified contractor to handle the work. but if you can live with yourself, get it up, bag it, and get rid of it.<br /><br />to remove, i would try to cut it up in long, thin pieces as much you can. usually the linoleum will come and leave the mastic. just need to level it and install the new floor. good luck-
 

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Nail underlament over it, then fill the gaps with fixall, then put the new floor over it. Underlament in basically between a 1/4 and a 3/8 plywood, and comes in 4X4' sheets to make it easy to handle. Done it a dozen times.
 

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Linoleum, and rolled vinyl were asbestos free, if my memory serves me correctly. But the hard tiles contained asbestos.<br /><br />You probably have vinyl, as linoleum was being fazed out by 1970.<br /><br /><br />Either way, the correct way to do it is to place underlayment over the top, screw it down every 8 inches in both directions, level the seams and screw heads, glue down the new flooring.
 

Kenneth Brown

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Re: Info needed on linolium removal...

LD and roscoe hit it on the head. I had the same problem. I just could not get the old up AND I had TWO layers already down. I used a product called Luann. It is very similair to paneling/plywood. It was 1/8 thick and came in 4X8 sheets. I used ring shank nails instead of screws. Definetly put the nails/screws every 6-8 inches in all directions.
 

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Re: Info needed on linolium removal...

ndemge <br /> <br />Great forum... been reading and reading and... :)
 

Barlow

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guys ..I'd have to disagree with going over it with UL ply .. flooring trasitions change 3/8" with most materials and door jambs/openings will be sacrificed, not to mention base molding and cabinetry toe kicks.<br /><br />...cove and quarter round are just a cover-up for 'slap-stick' jobs IMHO.<br /><br />but to each their own...<br /><br />BTW - watch-out for ring shanks .. they crush wood fibers and loosen over time - dipped galvanized screws are your best bet even though some installers use staples, they too can loosen with time and cause sqweeks - screws are the way to go.
 

ndemge

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Re: Info needed on linolium removal...

Link..<br /><br />You see some of the posts that Rich and Grumpythesmurf respond on, and just have to say to yourself..."now how'd he know that"
 

LubeDude

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Re: Info needed on linolium removal...

Did my parents kitchen and bathroom this way, ringshanks and all, 10 years, no problems yet. Interior doors should be about an inch off the floor anyway, so shouldnt be a problem.
 

Kenneth Brown

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I didn't have a problem with anything but one door, and it was one I had installed since I bought my place. I can look back now and wish that I would have used screws. I don't have any problems with the ringshanks its just that in hindsight I would have felt safer.
 

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Re: Info needed on linolium removal...

Save yourself time and money, plus give your prospective buyers what they really want, which is not linolium.<br /><br />Just get some inexpensive snap or glue laminate wood flooring. It will lay fine right over your linolium (or whats left of it), with no underlayment needed.<br /><br />We did our kitchen/entry for about $285 with flooring from Sam's club, versus $1200 for linolium and subflooring. It just plugs together with no glue and looks great.<br /><br />We sold our house in two days.<br /><br />Marty
 

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I guess I always figured removing the mouldings, trimming the doors, and building up the threshholds, and if you are really particular- raising the cabinets, was part of doing the job.<br /><br />I never seen a professional installer spend countless hours trying to scrape of the glue residue. Thats because you wouldn't be able to get it all off, and it would show through the new sheet goods.
 

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ndemge <br /><br />Yes it is amazing. Book marked the site. Have been there several times in the last day or two.
 

Bob in Calif.

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Wow.....Thank you all for the great feed back. <br /><br />After working on the flooring the last couple of days, I have found the kitchen on the main level of the house presents the biggest problem of removal. I think I will be able to install the new linolium over the top of the old. After cleaning the old, I think I will use something like acetone to remove the wax and to soften the surface. This should make for good adhesion for the new stuff, which will probably be vinyl.<br /><br />The laundry/utility area is releasing easier than I thought it would.<br />The three bathrooms are linolium tile, which I haven't tried yet, but naturally are smaller areas and with some luck, they might just pop up fairly easy. I can always use one of my sanders to remove the "high spot" residue.<br /><br />The downstairs living quarters is an inlaw type unit with a kitchen, bathroom, living room/dining room and separate bedroom. The down stairs bathroom is again the linolium squares, while the kitchen floor is rolled linolium. Upon closer inspection of the kitchen floor, I don't think I will have to replace it at all, but just a good cleaning and waxing is in order. The tile in the lower bathroom will be replaced though.<br /><br />The posting of using snap togteher wood flooring was a good thought. I might consider that for new flooring for the enclosed deck/sunroom, overlooking a portion of SF Bay. It was covered with carpet, but I have removed that.<br />If I can find some "snap wood flooring" that will match the Oak Plank floors, that are on the entire upper level, that might be an option, instead of carpet there. If not, I will just use new carpet on the deck/sunroom. <br /><br />Then I have to finish stripping and sanding the kitchen cabnets and re-varnish them and then there is painting both interior levels of the entire house. Not to mention having a new counter top installed, along with the new dishwasher, sink, stove, garbage grinder, etc. :( :( :( <br /><br />I need to be triplets for the next month, to get all of this done by then.<br /><br />Again, thank you all for the good suggestions and info regarding the kitchen flooring, etc.<br /><br />...Bob in Calif...
 

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Re: Info needed on linolium removal...

bob in calif. i think i know what your refering to.when you remove the linolium, the glue and backing sticks to the underflooring in your traffic areas. well, i had the same problem, tried everything including a putty knife. all hard work and time consuming. the wife insisted i try her nail polish remover. i thought she was nuts. well it works. after u peel up the top layer and get to the glue and backing that sticks to the floor, just spread the fingernail polish remover over that backing, count to about 5 and watch it peel right off with a putty knife. dont laugh till after u tried it.that was 5 years ago, and she still has a smug look on her face. good luck.....bob
 

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Re: Info needed on linolium removal...

Bob, I was at Sam's Club last night and was surprised at the number of different styles of snap together wood floorings they had in stock. Good luck nad have fun! It sounds like the amount of work you have to do we will not be seeing you around iBoats too much!
 
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