Installing Wakeboard tower, safe?

4winnsskipper

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I have a 96 four winns 170 horizon, was looking into

http://www.monstertower.com/

to put onto my boat. im worried about it damaging the boat if a tube flipped over and caused excessive drag on the boat like it does someones and the tower pulling off of where your suppose to mount it causing damage.......


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m_court15

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Re: Installing Wakeboard tower, safe?

I wouldn't tow a tube with the tower, it would put too much stress on the fiberglass, especially if not installed properly. I would use the transom hooks or eye. I would use the tower just for wake boarding.
 

cbavier

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Re: Installing Wakeboard tower, safe?

I assume the Four Winns 170 is an outboard, clue me in. They make a short Ski tower for boats with Outboards so the rope will clear the outboard and even that looks shaky. Did you see th Video on that wakeboard tower. It folds up and down so only two of the mounts are stationary to the boat. I'll bet if you read the fine print it will say do not attempts to pull skiers or tubers attached to this tower. If your boat is an I/O there is an reinforced eye bolt made just for hooking ski and tube ropes to. I'll check out my Pics at flicker and see if you can see it on my boat? If so I'll post my Flicker Page where you can look at mine. The reinforcement plates and straps are enclosed in Stern. Mine too is a Four Winns Horizon 190. Yes you can see it if you look closely at Photo http://www.flickr.com/photos/24589494@N00/455517410/sizes/o/in/set-72157600064887791/
 

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Re: Installing Wakeboard tower, safe?

it looks fine, it comes with a 3x2 inch backing plate, i think i would make a larger one for the front mounts. and possibly and additional top plate for the back mounts, it also say make sure your mounting point is atleast 3/8 inch thick. towers are for skiing and wake boarding, not tubing. stern mount for tubing, is best.
 

4winnsskipper

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Re: Installing Wakeboard tower, safe?

I assume the Four Winns 170 is an outboard, clue me in. They make a short Ski tower for boats with Outboards so the rope will clear the outboard and even that looks shaky. Did you see th Video on that wakeboard tower. It folds up and down so only two of the mounts are stationary to the boat. I'll bet if you read the fine print it will say do not attempts to pull skiers or tubers attached to this tower. If your boat is an I/O there is an reinforced eye bolt made just for hooking ski and tube ropes to. I'll check out my Pics at flicker and see if you can see it on my boat? If so I'll post my Flicker Page where you can look at mine. The reinforcement plates and straps are enclosed in Stern. Mine too is a Four Winns Horizon 190. Yes you can see it if you look closely at Photo http://www.flickr.com/photos/24589494@N00/455517410/sizes/o/in/set-72157600064887791/

negative, it is a volvo 3.0 I/O

i know i have the ski hook behind the engine compartment but its not that high up. besides it doesn't look anymore re-inforced than where a tower would mount.... just from what i can see atleast
 

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Re: Installing Wakeboard tower, safe?

negative, it is a volvo 3.0 I/O

i know i have the ski hook behind the engine compartment but its not that high up. besides it doesn't look anymore re-inforced than where a tower would mount.... just from what i can see at least

Look underneath. Mine has a Big Bracket that goes from Side to side about two foot spread and is bolted completely through the Transom and the Ski bolt itself is mounted through a steel plate about 3 inches wide and six inches long. It's a three point mount. I don't know what you have but that is mine. The only way I know that is that I mounted an Eagle Fish Finder back on the transom port side and I had to run the wires to the battery under there across the transom to the starboard side. I used the brackets to chicken wire the power cable to. Then I ran the transducer cable up underneath the port side in the side pockets. You also can store your Bimini top in that rear seat back you lift up. I assume you knew that but had a guy watch me put mine away a couple years ago and he said I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD DO THAT!
 

4winnsskipper

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Re: Installing Wakeboard tower, safe?

Look underneath. Mine has a Big Bracket that goes from Side to side about two foot spread and is bolted completely through the Transom and the Ski bolt itself is mounted through a steel plate about 3 inches wide and six inches long. It's a three point mount. I don't know what you have but that is mine. The only way I know that is that I mounted an Eagle Fish Finder back on the transom port side and I had to run the wires to the battery under there across the transom to the starboard side. I used the brackets to chicken wire the power cable to. Then I ran the transducer cable up underneath the port side in the side pockets. You also can store your Bimini top in that rear seat back you lift up. I assume you knew that but had a guy watch me put mine away a couple years ago and he said I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD DO THAT!

yeh i know that also, i've pretty much grown up on the water, in and around boats, and am a amateur mechanic so im pretty good with this stuff which is why i am worried about bolting on a wakeboard tower.... even just towing a wakeboarder.... seems to be the height from the point of mounting which essentially multiplies the torque exerted by the skier due to the length between point of impact and point of mount is so long that it would easily rip my gunnels apart.....
 

amynbill

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Re: Installing Wakeboard tower, safe?

towers are for skiing and wake boarding, not tubing. stern mount for tubing, is best.

+1

Every manual I have ever seen on towers states specifically no tubing. Even the stock sea ray tower that could come with my boat states you can ski and board from the tower, but do not use inflatables.

I will be getting a tower sometime this year too, let me know how that monster unit works. It is inexpensive but seems like it will do the job same as any other. I am deciding between that unit, taylor, and a couple others I dont remember off hand (bookmarked at work).

The reason I didnt get the sea ray oem was the height of it and where it folds was too high to get it into the garage each winter...as it is it takes almost 4 min to get it in already as there is zero tolerance lol.
 

AguaSki

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Re: Installing Wakeboard tower, safe?

About a month ago I helped my BIL install a tower from www.diywake.com. This is the best priced tower I have seen. The installation is sturdy, and I think he is going to be very happy.

My BIL does plan to pull tubes with his tower. I don't have a tower on my boat, but I do have a ski pylon. Most towers and ski pylon manufacturers say that you should not use them for tubing. If you observe around your waterway, you will notice a lot of boaters pulling tubes with these devices. I think the manufacturers recommend this for safety reasons and not structural reasons. In my case, I installed a pylon because the tow rope was always in the wake, and it made it difficult for the boat driver to sling the tubers across the wake. I would not install a tower on my boat if it was only strong enough to pull a wake boarder, but not strong enough to pull a tuber. Because of the higher tow point, there is danger that your tubers could catch more air than desired. Thats why I believe the recommendation is made for safety reasons and not structural reasons. The tower and boat are plenty strong to pull a tube. If everyone on the boat is sober, and you keep your speed down (be reasonable), you should not have any problems pulling a tube from a tower or ski pylon.

We did learn some lessons during the tower installation that may be helpful.

1) Measure twice, cut/drill once. We did not have any problems, but we took our time (3-4 hours), and the installation turned out really nice.

2) DIY towers are skinnier at the top than the width at the tower mounts. Some towers (such as Monster) are approximately the same width at the top as they are at the mounts. The reason I mention this is because it impacted my BIL's bimini top. We were careful to mount the tower high enough that the bimini could swing under it, but we did not take into account that the bimini was wider than the open area at the top of the tower. This prevented the bimini from being able to move into an open position. Since the top of the tower is a fixed width, there was not anything we could do to prevent this, but it was kind of a bummer knowing that we now had a bimini project. The next weekend my BIL removed about 6 inches from the front bow of his bimini, and then reconnected the tubes. A few adjustments of the bimini straps and he was good to go. Not a bad adjustment, just disappointing to learn we created another project.

3) Most disappointing was the performance of the boat. Although the water is still cold, we have already tested the tower with me as the driver, and my BIL as the wake boarder. His boat has a 4.3 liter V6. Before the tower installation he always had plenty of power to pull a wake boarder up from the regular attachment. Now the tower is acting like a big lever. When I hit the throttle with my BIL hanging onto the the rope (he is about 190 pounds), the bow shoots straight up, and the stern digs deep into the water. The boat then struggles for a few seconds to get on a plane. Given the increased bow rise, I don't see how a slalom skier can hang on long enough to get up if the rope is attached to the tower. Performance is fine once the boat is on a plane, and there are no performance issues when the boat is not towing anything. Knowing what I know now, I would still install a tower on a 4.3 liter V6, but mine and his next boat will have V8's to add a little more grunt when pulling.

Below is a pick of the boat with the newly installed tower. The pic was taken before the adjustment was made to the bimini top. The yellow coloring in the mountains are desert wildflowers growing from above average rain over the winter. The daytime temperature here in the desert are already perfect for boating, but the water temps are still in the high 50's (too cold for me). In about 3 weeks the water will move into the mid 60's, and I will be in.

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scoutabout

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Re: Installing Wakeboard tower, safe?

...If you observe around your waterway, you will notice a lot of boaters pulling tubes with these devices. I think the manufacturers recommend this for safety reasons and not structural reasons....

Nice pic of that SeaRay. I had the identical boat, except with the 3.0 and rear bench and sun pad configuration. Loved it.

As for your comment above -- I never gave towing a tube from our ski bar a second thought til one day late last season when we decided to take a quick run into a nearby marina after my son finished a tube ride. It was only a few minutes away and -- not wanting to bring a wet tube into the boat, just pulled in all but 15 feet of line and took off with the tube trailing behind. We were on plane about a minute when there was a huge BANG! from astern and the boat slowed noticably.

It scared the snot out of me. I throttled back and looked behind and saw what had happened was the tube, having no weight on it had flipped over and grabbed a huge bite of water. The drag was instant and enormous and the sound was -- I believe, the few millimeters of clearance in the bar mount being rammed by the bar itself. I'm amazed it didn't rip it out of the transom.

So....anyway -- long winded way of suggesting it's possible the reason the manufacturers don't want tubes tied to their structures is in case the rider falls off and it flips like ours did and digs in suddenly. And as you can see from the pic below the leverage on my bar would not be as great as with a tower where some real serious sudden force might get applied.

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